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Imperial Guard Message Board :: General :: Tactics :: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List Author Topic: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List (Read 459 times) renegadeguardsman Conscript member is offline Loyal Servant of Creepy Uncle Nurgle Joined: Mar 2012 Gender: Male Posts: 4 Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Thread Started on Mar 14, 2012, 8:16pm » So I'm in the process of building a Renegades army using the IG codex, and I want to do something different from the cookie-cutter competitive lists one sees...everywhere. I don't care about competitiveness because, well, I don't compete. So anyways I'm thinking of using a hybrid foot/ mech army with a gunline supported by LRBT's or bassies deploying as normal, and an all chimera-mounted Al-Rahem platoon outflanking with the help of an Astropath. The Al-Rahem platoon will be hosing the enemy side/rear with multi-lasers, heavy bolters/ flamers and probably plasma's firing from the hatches. Hopefully this will force my opponent to falter on deciding which is the greater threat and ultimately fail to deal with either. My gunline will consist of the usual power-blobs (commie, power weapons, AC/GL) of 20-30 men each, and probably a few las HWS's receiving orders from the nearby PCS's. I'd like to have HWS's as well as bassies/ russes as a sort of backup against lance weapons (lance weapons are really what kept me from going with an entirely mech list btw). As mentioned earlier my CCS will have an Astropath, and If points allow I'd also like to take Straken for obvious gunline anchor-ing purposes, and maybe melta-vets in a valk to outflank and help deal with Land Raiders and the like. Of course this will be a pricey list points-wise, probably only viable in the neighbourhood of 1850+. But if possible I'd like to have a stripped-down variant of this army for those lean 1500pt games... So what do you think? Would something like this be viable? And if so what would you reccomend? All opinions, comments, advice greatly appreciated, thanks in advance... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged ***The Extirpation Front*** 88th Infantry Company & 17th Armoured Division "Nurgle's Unsung Messengers of Contagion" WestRider WARLORD Dux Dissimulo member is offline Cpt. Burton of the Phrygian III, Blue Company Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,387 Location: Seattle Area Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #1 on Mar 14, 2012, 8:43pm » I know a couple of people who have had success with this general concept at 2K or so. I'm not really familiar with their Armies, though, so beyond a very broad "it can work", I can't help that much. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Jan 25, 2013, 11:59pm, emptyhat wrote: When the dust settled Westrider strode out holding the severed heads of all who opposed him. Freedom from the Tyranny of Pants! Deathkorpsman Colonel member is offline Joined: Feb 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 261 Location: Hive Kiel, Sub-Sump 4 Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #2 on Mar 15, 2012, 2:07am » It is more viable the cheaper you make the units in your army. Cut upgrades down to a bare minimum, aside from an Astropath and special weapons, to put the maximum number of actual guns on the board as a considerable threat from your main force. That makes the outflanking force that much more deadly. An outflanking platoon also give Guard a good option for taking objectives we'd otherwise have trouble getting to without a Valk/Ven ferrying troops. The only downside is that, aside from the Chimeras, the platoon isn't actually very shooty except against other infantry units. I think the main threat from this kind of move is a psychological one. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Mar 20, 2011, 10:39am, laughingman wrote: The necrons will now destroy their enemies by painting themselves blue and enjoying sweet manlove. krasimirova WARLORD member is offline Class-hole.. Joined: Oct 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,311 Location: Kettering / Midlands Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #3 on Mar 15, 2012, 3:46am » Trickstick had a list up the other day.. (2 days ago, i think) which was 1500 points, and in my opinion had a very viable Rahem component in it.. Though I don't think it was chimera mounted, since he does LRMBT + Foot Infantry... Might wanna have a look at that..? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged renegadeguardsman Conscript member is offline Loyal Servant of Creepy Uncle Nurgle Joined: Mar 2012 Gender: Male Posts: 4 Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #4 on Mar 15, 2012, 7:31am » Thanks for the replies everyone. I assume this Trickstick fellow's list is in the army list forum? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged ***The Extirpation Front*** 88th Infantry Company & 17th Armoured Division "Nurgle's Unsung Messengers of Contagion" krasimirova WARLORD member is offline Class-hole.. Joined: Oct 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,311 Location: Kettering / Midlands Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #5 on Mar 15, 2012, 8:33am » http://commissar.proboards.com/index.cgi....ad=15036&page=1 There you go.. Otherwise try and post a list with the ideas you have.. Post it in the Army list section, and then i'm gonna have a look at it.. cheers.. « Last Edit: Mar 15, 2012, 8:35am by krasimirova » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Rook Warmaster O, Death member is offline Rook Smash!!! Joined: Apr 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 500 Location: The land masturbation won. Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #6 on Mar 15, 2012, 12:47pm » There are many masterful army builders on here. I can't remember the last time someone posted in the 'Army List' section and Krasimirova didn't respond with solid advice. Also read McCaptain's, Westrider's, Treadiculous' lists and responses. These gentleman know their stuff. There are others but these come to mind. Oh, and yeah Welcome to the forum renegadeguardsman. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Nov 1, 2012, 1:38pm, machinegunkelly wrote: Thank you Rook. You are an exceptional man, do not let anyone ever tell anything else. You always astound me, by managing to be kind, thoughtful and caring. But also stand tall, be hard as steel and never back down. Commisar "General" Dr Phillips Lieutenant member is offline If your friends don't dance the safety dance then they aint no friends of mine Joined: Sept 2011 Gender: Male Posts: 102 Location: United States, Iowa Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #7 on Apr 10, 2012, 11:04am » Mar 14, 2012, 8:16pm, renegadeguardsman wrote: maybe melta-vets in a valk to outflank and help deal with Land Raiders and the like. Can't valks not outflank units unless they have scouts as well? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged empirespy WARLORD member is offline Heh heh heh... Joined: Apr 2011 Gender: Male Posts: 1,093 Location: *CLASSIFIED* Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #8 on Apr 10, 2012, 12:46pm » I think you're thinking of units with scouts can't scout with a transport without scout, but if either the unit or the transport has infiltrate or scouts (or the ability to outflank) the transport can outflank containing the unit. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Sept 6, 2011, 2:51pm, genevaman wrote: Blame Matt Ward. He's responsible for everything, including Grey Knights and global warming. krasimirova WARLORD member is offline Class-hole.. Joined: Oct 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,311 Location: Kettering / Midlands Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #9 on Apr 10, 2012, 1:27pm » Thinking of it.. You could scout move your Valk/Detta and then scout move your penal legion out of it..:P Not sure if this is viable, but since you don't declare moves in 40k, I can't see anything wrong with it.. Not sure how the penal legion trick would help you thou, hard to plan with their random rules, thou 30 rending attacks on the charge should ruin most closely parked tanks day.. Actually this might be illegal but, it is a fun thought.. Kras.. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged WestRider WARLORD Dux Dissimulo member is offline Cpt. Burton of the Phrygian III, Blue Company Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,387 Location: Seattle Area Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #10 on Apr 10, 2012, 8:15pm » You basically get a bonus Movement Phase for Units with Scout. So if the Valk didn't go Flat Out, then the Penal Legion could Disembark. They wouldn't be able to move further than that with the Scout Move, tho, because they wouldn't normally be able to Move after Disembarking from a Vehicle that Moved. It's covered in more detail in the Main Rulebook FAQ. Pretty much always better just to get out on Turn 1, before the Valk Moves, as far as I can tell. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Jan 25, 2013, 11:59pm, emptyhat wrote: When the dust settled Westrider strode out holding the severed heads of all who opposed him. Freedom from the Tyranny of Pants! krasimirova WARLORD member is offline Class-hole.. Joined: Oct 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,311 Location: Kettering / Midlands Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #11 on Apr 11, 2012, 3:50am » Well you can actually disembark from a Valkyrie that moves flat out.. (p.56 C:IG) And I know we are cutting things fine here, and that it dosn't have any gamebreaking qualities.. But still..:) Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged WestRider WARLORD Dux Dissimulo member is offline Cpt. Burton of the Phrygian III, Blue Company Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,387 Location: Seattle Area Re: Viability of Al-Rahem Outflanking List « Reply #12 on Apr 11, 2012, 7:07pm » Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Never actually seen anyone use it, so it slipped my mind. Yeah, you could still do a Grave Chute Insertion with Penal Legion, Recon Storm Troopers, or whoever Creed feels like giving Scout to. 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