Fun with smokes (but really dirty!)

Yeah you can't do that

They're used instead of shooting in the shooting phase.

Callus

I would say that popping smoke after scouting would be allowed, but shooting after it would not, seeing as all of the other scout-based ideas like this that have been FAQd seem to generally agree that anything you do whilst scouting counts as having done it on turn one for the purposes of various things like this.

You can pop smoke, but not shoot on turn one. You could theoretically however, pop smoke after scouting then move on turn one with this logic. Personally I would have no problem with this but smoking then shooting is a no-no.

Anyway that's just my general idea.

Reds, my point is that in almost all of the FAQs for things happenning "before the game" and what turn they occour on the general consensus from GW is that they take place on turn 1, mainly to simplify things.

My point is that there is no "Turn 0" and scout moves are said to take place officially on turn one before movement.

Good point. But I'd still say no to shooting, you'd still have benefitted from the smoke when they shoot at you, so its still a pretty powerful ability.

I think the easyest way to solve this is just to say that you cannot pop smoke after scouting, it makes things too complicated and there are arguments both ways that could halt gameplay for a while. For the sake of fluid gameplay I would say no smoking after a scout move.

I don't believe you.

lol, like I said in the beginning if you take the rules word for word then your obscured during your opponents shooting phase but seeing as you moved during you first official turn and did not pop smokes after then you are still eligible to shoot. My local gaming group discovered it while playing around with the new BA pred, we also immediatlly set a house rule that if you did scout and pop smokes then gain initiative then you either choose to shoot and not be obscured or keep the obscured but not shoot. But by the book theres nothing to say you cant do both

Maybe you could counterbalance it out for the benefit of all? example:

You give the Russ scout, move it and pop smoke. You then steal the initiative and get 1st turn. You choose not to move the Russ any further and shoot it's weapons. but now all it's targets gain a cover save/obscurred as your tank is firing through smoke. The effects of the smoke remain through your opponents turn 1 as per normal smoke rules.

Just an idea...

The Baal can pop smoke during the scout move, I don't see why a russ couldn't. No official word on if that actually gets you the benefits without the drawbacks, though.

Based on the FAQ on the Blood Angels, we're all now playing that you can pop smoke at the end of the scout movement phase on any vehicle that is able to, this then obscures you for the opponents shooting.
We only do this however if we are going second and do not try to seize initiative.

Our LGS has always looked at FAQs provided to other armies for 3 editions to see if they realistically apply to another army. Interestingly, half our players were already scouting and popping smoke with other armies prior to this latest FAQ.

GW update the army FAQ far more often than the Rules FAQ.

This is not an army specific piece of equipment, it is smoke launchers. Other armies have vehicles that can scout and have smoke launchers ergo...

It is not changing statlines for equipment, e.g. Dark Angels storm shields vs. Space Marines.

I think what most people are forgetting is these come as a result of a Frequently Asked Question for an army. If few are asking the question in relation to the same thing on another army it is not an FAQ.

An alternative way to look at it, is that it is GW looking at what is currently an extremely popular army geared towards assault and addressing the potential "whingers" who don't approve of a tactic being used in BA that was already being used elsewhere. Remember, this is not the first army that could scout with vehicles equipped with smoke launchers.