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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 15:14:06 GMT -5
Well, Reds and I have decided, rather than do a complete codex revamp, (As is being done to the Sisters of Battle) to rather add in Mods, with a few new units to round out the codex. EDIT: Rule lawyers needed, as these may need clarification. Also, feel free to suggest anything now, as long as it is something remotely serious. "Serious" is a loose term, as long as it isn't something like Killer Teletubies, and Jay Jay the Jetplane squadrons, it'll probably be copy and pasted right in (for organization's sake). Italics mark fluff entriesSo without further ado: -HQ-No mods. -Elite-[/u] No mods. -Troops--Infantry Squad As in Codex: Imperial Guard, except: The sergeant of the squad may substitute his CCW and Las pistol for a lasgun at no additional cost. Many a sergeant prefers to use the Lasgun instead of a sword and Las pistol. The reason for this preference should be obvious.-Special Weapons Squad As in Codex: Imperial Guard, except: Any member of the squad may exchange his lasgun for a shotgun at no additional points cost. -Conscripts As in Codex: Imperial Guard, except: May take a Crew Served Heavy Stubber for +10 points. (see equipment mods) -Medics 0-2 (Mycroft) Platoons may now be attached with 0-2 medics | Cost | Weapon | Ballistic | Strength | Toughness | Wounds | Initiative | Attacks | Leadership | Saves | | 30 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 5 |
Wargear: Lasgun, medipack. Special Rules: Independent Character Medics are a crucial part of the Imperial Guard, as they allow Guardsmen to continue fighting in the Emperor's name. Without medics braving the fire of the enemy, many guardsmen would have their service cut short.-Sniper teams 0-2 Platoons may now be attached with 0-2 Sniper teams. -Sniper Team (ElegaicRequiem) A sniper team consists of one sniper and one spotter. These would be on two bases. Every pair must stay in base contact. | Cost | Weapon | Ballistic | Strength | Toughness | Wounds | Initiative | Attacks | Leadership | Saves | | 18 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 3 | A | 7 | 5 |
Wargear: Sniper has: 'Retribution' pattern long-las. The spotter has a lasgun. Both sniper and spotter have: Ghillie Suit, las pistol. (see Equipment Mods) Sniper may replace 'Retribution' pattern long-las with a lascannon. A lascannon used in this method MUST be modeled to at least have a scope and some netting on it. (Will figure pts cost later.) One shot can make all the difference on the battlefield. For those who do not have access to a legendary Vindicare Assassins, Sniper teams are the next best thing. Some sniper teams opt instead to use full-blown lascannons instead. Such teams are often remarked to be compensating for something.Special Rules/ equipment: Infiltrate: See W40K core rule book. Spotter: Sniper teams ignore the night-fighting special rules, as long as the spotter is alive. 'Retribution' pattern long-las: Master-crafted sniper rifle. R48" S4 AP5 Heavy 1, (rending, pinning from the sniper rules) Ghillie Suit: Any unit wishing to shoot at the sniper squad must do so while abiding by the night fighting rules. Forward operatives: Sniper teams may never receive orders, as they must maintain the utmost stealth. Take him out!: Sniper teams may actively target Independent Characters, as long as the Independent Character isn't in close combat. (Need help with this one especially, don't want to take too much away from the Vindicare Assassin) Fast Attack[/b] -Sentinal: As in Codex: Imperial Guard. Additionally; Both Scout and Armored Sentinals may instead choose a Heavy Bolter as a primary weapon for +5 points. An Armored Sentinal may instead choose a Multi-Melta as a primary weapon for +15 points. -Rough Riders: As in Codex: Imperial Guard, except: The player may choose when to use the units Hunting Lances. Rough Riders may come with either a Las Pistol and CCW OR a Lasgun. The unit does not have to take the same weapons. If a Rough Rider fires its lasgun, it may not use the Hunting Lance in assault (as it takes time to ready the lance) If a Rough Rider unit does not have to use all of it's Hunting Lances. Instead, mark the models that have used the Hunting Lance. Unmarked models may still use their Hunting Lance. Despite what many guardsmen might think, Rough Riders do posses enough intelligence to figure out when to use their Hunting Lances. Many Rough Riders are also trained to shoot their lasguns while mounted, resembling the gun cavalry of Ancient Terra.Heavy Support[/b] -Leman Russ Punisher: As in Codex: Imperial Guard, except: The Punisher Gatling Cannon is also twin-linked, and rending. It is twin-linked to represent the sheer amount of firepower that it throws at the enemy, and rending as spitting out bullets faster than an assault cannon is bound to tear pretty much anything apart given enough bullets. When firing, roll a die. On a one, the weapon jams and cannot fire until the next turn. The Punisher is a feared addition to the Imperial Guard's armored divisions. Using the chassis of a Leman Russ, sometimes the only respite is to wait until the gun jams, or better yet, go through it's plentiful ammunition supple in mere seconds.
Punisher gunners are a very well trained and disciplined lot. They have to be in order to resist firing the cannon for more than 2 seconds at a time, along with resisting the urge to indulge in crazed laughter. Equipment MODs-Sniper Rifle: Same as Codex: Imperial Guard, except: AP 6, Wound on 4+, and it is Rending (representing headshots, punching through armor, etc) -Voxes: Any officer with a Vox may add an additional 6in to his order range if the unit receiving the order has a vox as well. Example: a PCS Officer is going to issue orders to a Vet Team. The Vets DO NOT have Voxes, so the order range is still 6in. Now, the same PCS issues orders to an Infantry Squad. Both the PCS and the Infantry Squad have voxes, so the order range becomes 12in. Note: The voxes CANNOT reroll failed commands. If the officer is just repeating the order over the Vox network, there's no reason why he can't just shout it twice if he doesn't have a Vox and get a reroll from that. -Crew Served Heavy Stubber: This is a crude, and often inefficient, fast firing slug thrower found in the armories of many under-equipped PDF forces. It has the following profile: Str 4 ap 6 Heavy 4* *if a one is rolled to hit when using a Crew Served Heavy Stubber it jams, and may not be fired in the next turn. Resolve all other hits as normal this turn. -'Retribution' pattern long-las: Master-crafted sniper rifle. R48" S4 AP5 Heavy 1, (rending, pinning from the sniper rules) -Ghillie Suit: Any unit wishing to shoot at the sniper squad must do so while abiding by the night fighting rules. Mortars: May fire smoke rounds, or normal rounds. Smoke rounds are fired just like normal rounds, and scatter as well, along with having the same template. However, any model under the template receives a 4+ cover save, unless a better save is available. A model partially under the template receives a +5 cover save, unless a better save is available. The smoke lasts until the end of the opponent's turn. |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 26, 2009 15:46:07 GMT -5
A reccomendation: Make Shotguns S3 AP- Assault 2, Mya re-roll failed to wound rolls. This is nice, fluffy, can be taken as a 5 point upgrade for sergeants, a 1 point upgrade for special weapons or Veteran squads, and possibly platoon commands.
For veterans, I hereby submit:
Hardened Veterans
Unit Size: 1 Sergeant, 4 Veterans.
Cost: 50 points. Additional Veteran may be purchased at 8pts per model
Profile:
Veteran
WS: 3 BS: 4 S: 3 T: 3 I: 3 A: 2 Ld: 8 SV: 5+
Veteran Sergeant
WS: 4 BS: 4 S: 3 T: 3 I: 3 A: 3 Ld: 8 SV: 5+
Wargear: Lasgun, laspistol, close combat weapon, frag and krak grenades, flak armour.
Upgrades:
Up to three Veterans may purchase a special weapon, up to one may purchase a Heavy Flamer: (As in codex)
One Veteran may take a Demolition charge at 20 points
Two Veterans may form a Heavy Weapons Team. If no special weapons are taken, then the Veterans squad may form a Second Heavy Weapons Team.
Any Veterans may swap their lasguns for shotguns at 2pts per model (shotguns are S3 AP-, Assault 2, may re-roll failed To Wound rolls)
Any Veterans Squad may purchase these upgrades:
Carapace Armour: 15pts.
Meltabombs: 15pts.
Stealth: 10pts.
Defensive Grenades: 10pts.
Infiltrate: 10pts.
Move Through Cover: 5pts.
Scouts: 10pts.
Deepstrike: 10pts.
Knife Fighters (Extra attack regardless of what weapon used, Rending): 20pts
Stubborn: 10pts
Psychopaths (Fleet, Furious Charge, Counter-attack): 20pts
Gunslingers (assault 2 lasguns): 15pts.
Chimera, 55pts.
Sergeant may take normal upgrades, plus a refractor field for 15pts.
Any unit purchasing more than 30pts of upgrades counts as an Elites choice. Anything under that, a Troops choice.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 15:53:28 GMT -5
Hey....that looks familiar ;P. It looks pretty good to me, but I'll go have to wait for Reds to chip in his 2 cents, as he's handling most of the rules. I just write the stuff  |
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Post by Willem on Jul 26, 2009 20:10:26 GMT -5
i want
multi melta sentanels top be scout so that they can be more efective
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 21:17:38 GMT -5
You know, the ONE time I need Reds on, he's off at work..... @rt: I'm pretty sure your vet idea will be given the go ahead, of course, there comes the problem of what category to list it in.... Willem: I'm pretty sure we excluded Multi-Melta Scout Sents, since that would mean VERY cheap Multi-Meltas.... I may be wrong, but that would mean we'd screw over armor faster than Tau broadside spam.... |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jul 26, 2009 22:40:17 GMT -5
Sorry Willem, no Multimelta on Scout Sents. That would be a bit too broken. My reasoning is that (aside from the obvious fact that it's unbalanced) the other really heavy duty Weapon, the Plasma Gun, is "Armoured Only", so it would make more sense to have it there.
Reds
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 22:47:52 GMT -5
Dammit Reds, next time you PM me to get on AIM, stay on forum too. It's the only other way I can contact you....>.<
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 26, 2009 23:04:14 GMT -5
As an infamous blasphemous writer of her own countless army books, I approve! Everything included up to now looks great, exactly the things everyone wants. You should add in Bikers as Fast Attack units or as an alternative mount upgrade for Rough Riders (though typically I don't think modern bikers go to war with an exploding lance). My Bikers look like this as of current:
Imperial Bikers 40 pts
3 Bikers and a Sergeant (standard guardsmen stats)
Have laspistols and either close combat weapons or lasguns. Ride bikes.
May purchase up to two special weapons at normal cost.
May add additional Bikers for +12 pts/model.
You may want to fit their bikes with twin-linked lasguns (all the other bikes get twin-linked weapons), but personally I thought it felt a bit odd. It may give them more of a gaming purpose thuough.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 23:07:12 GMT -5
Hmm....We're going to have to add a cap on the additional Bikers. Say, 10-12? Because, well, I'm also trying to write this as GW does (In the way to prevent those nasty little loophole seekers).
On the subject of Loop Hole Seekers, RT your idea is GREAT in my opinion, but...Well..
*Trumpets blare*
On behalf of Sire RedsandRoyals, I present you his message!
*Trumpets blare again*
5 Veterans may be taken for 40pts. They may have "Forward Sentries", "Grenadiers", and "Demolitions" for 15pts each.
They may have up to TWO Special weapons (all the ones they can have now.)
For an additional 30pts, you may add 5 more Vets. Doing so allows you to take THREE Special Weapons, as well as a Heavy Weapon Team. All doctrines are still available, but their cost increases to 30pts each.
All other normal Wargear options the vets have remain unchanged.
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They would essentially be a smaller Vet Squad for lest cost, but with a little less fire power. You can increase the squad to a Normal Vet unit (It would essentially become the current entry for Vets in terms of weapon options and doctrine price).
Reds
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 26, 2009 23:09:31 GMT -5
Oops.
Bikes have a 3-10 unit size.
Also the sergeant can buy snazz as normal.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 26, 2009 23:15:04 GMT -5
Bling-bling Bike!
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Yes, I just had to say that.
No I just need my other co-auther (HINT)
To input his two cents.
As for mine, I'm fine with keeping Rough Riders. GW actually did a pretty good job making a nice lance cavalry unit, and adapting it too Modern Warfare. However, there are a few things I would like to change.
1. You may choose when to use the hunting lances, so if the enemy charges you first, you can save your lances, also you can save them if you run down something not worth using them on.
2. I'd think about making a sorta Civil War era Gun Cavalry, and alt use of Rough Riders.
As for Bikes, they should be a totally different unit, I really don't think we should make them a transportation upgrade...
Also, do you mean a las pistol AND either a CCW OR a Lasgun? Because I think it'd be more useful for a choice between a las pistol and CCW OR a lasgun, as if you are in range with the pistol, you should probably fire with the normal lasgun instead....
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jul 26, 2009 23:19:03 GMT -5
RT, the reason we vetoed your idea is because those Vets can do ANYTHING. I understand that this is to make a customizable unit to fit your fluff, but that would go out the window pretty quickly. People would be taking DS and Furious Charge when playing Planet Strike to have Assault Vets hit the enemy as soon as they arrive. Stealth and Infiltrate Vets with Rending would slaughter the enemy in CC and at range.
It would also make HW teams and Penal Troops obsolete, sine the unit can take 2 HWs and can choose the Penal Trooper powers instead of getting them randomly, and still have them flank.
As for Shotties, I was thinking of bumping them to Str 4, but re rolls work too.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jul 26, 2009 23:38:39 GMT -5
i know this is general codex modifications.
but would it be possible to include some options for us drop troopers? i mean the only major factors are Deeptrike for infantry and sentinels the rest can be done per current codex.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 27, 2009 1:02:07 GMT -5
Bling-bling Bike! ... Yes, I just had to say that. Also, do you mean a las pistol AND either a CCW OR a Lasgun? Because I think it'd be more useful for a choice between a las pistol and CCW OR a lasgun, as if you are in range with the pistol, you should probably fire with the normal lasgun instead.... Yes, las pistol, plus CCW or a lasgun. Pistols is the obviously most practical weapon for bikers (note, not bike mounted infantry) and I felt that they should always have them. Then either a lasgun for more heavy firepower, or a sword if they're crazy. They could have all three weapons, but I don't think it's very suitable as it's hard to effectively store all those things on a bike and still have practical access to them. Note that bikes kind of suck in combat, and are mainly used for light outflanking or to take objectives. Which I think is pretty realistic, they were intended as more typical bikers inspired by modern common bike infantry rather than special snazzbikes like most of the other races. |
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Post by Melissia on Jul 27, 2009 1:12:24 GMT -5
How about an S4 AP- autopistol? Or S3 AP6.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jul 27, 2009 1:16:09 GMT -5
Autoguns and autopistols are, essentially, the same as lasguns in terms of profile. I like the latter profile, but to get that AP, it would need to have the explosive tipped rounds we gave the Snipers. I'll have to think about it a bit. Also, just to be clear, this is really Codex 1.5 we're working on. We won't be adding a bunch of new units, just maybe one or two, and some wargear options. Aside from that, it will all be tweaks. All the cool units like bikes and specialized Vets and such will be in Codex 2.0, after we finish this one.  Reds |
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 27, 2009 5:34:44 GMT -5
How about an S4 AP- autopistol? Or S3 AP6. It works, but I think it makes them look "too homemade" really. It's most likely nothing GW would do. But I won't say anything about new units now, bring on Codex 1.5! |
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Post by Machine Gun Kelly on Jul 27, 2009 7:08:18 GMT -5
This thread is getting to confusing for me. Perhaps when you get a little further ahead you could divide it up in sections. HQ, Troops, Elites and so on.
My two cents on the vets would be to divide them up a little bit more.
the Platoon Commander gets the option of upgrading to vet status for +xx points
Ordinary squads in a platoon gets to buy veteran upgrade at +xx points.
They get no further advancaments than the raised stats. In all other purpose they are treated as an ordinary squad.
The same goes for SW and HW squads.
this would make it possible to make an all veteran platoon.
In the elite choices there would the grenadiers veterans be placed, Carapace and heavy armed. No shotguns/sniper rifles or stuff like that. Valkyrie transport or droptroop option.
SGTs will get boltgun option.
Elite would also get the scout version of veterans with scout, move through cover and stealth.
They should get the option of calling in artillery (as master of ordanance). Basic equipment is three GL/sniper/Flamer.
All SW is upgradable.
No transport (sorry guys but sneaking around in a Chimera isn't cool).
Fast attack would get the ordinary tankhunting veteran squad we all know and love.
Transport Chimera.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 9:29:32 GMT -5
Approaching this from the point of view of optional rules my opponent would actually allow me to use, I'd make the following observations: - Extra Weapons on Armoured Sentinel
I think the HB is a good additional option and it's unlikely to be contentious given HB is almost always offered where an AC is.
On the other hand I think the multi-melta is unlikely to make it past the veto group. Pricing it at 20 points (same as Plasma Cannon) might make them people more likely to allow it since you could make the argument that it's over priced given the cost for MM vs. PC on a Russ. And on the positive side the 5 points difference still makes it a viable choice for a unit that you don't mind getting near assault units.
- Sniper Rifle too be AP6, Wound 4+, Rending
Is this actually a change? I thought the sniper rifle was currently AP6, S:X (as in wound 4+) and all Sniper weapons are both Rending and Pinning in the main handbook?
I'd personally like to see the sniper rifle have a longer range, say 48"? Same as Heavy Bolter. I also think some sort of twin-linked option for snipers might be worth considering as an option.
- Sniper Unit
While I do like this in theory, it does seem a little like you guys want to have your cake and eat it too. We can get Ratlings or Spec. Weapons or Vets, all as valid sniper units currently. Each has it's disadvantages, most of which this unit would fix. But I sort of dislike the idea of a codex that offers us every useful configuration.
Having said that I think my opponents probably wouldn't worry about this too much. Ratlings are cheaper and can also infiltrate for slightly cheaper and typically the veto people look out for min/max type units.
- Punisher to be Twin-Linked and Rending
I think that's a fair change although I'm still not sure I'd ever use one with those stats. I sort of feel that the Punisher needs some sort of special way to distribute it's Heavy 20 shots, like place a large pie plate and every unit under that takes Heavy 20? Alternatively perhaps some sort of extra-tough pinning test needs to be made (get out of the hail of fire, etc).
- Troop weapon choice changes
I like, and think my opponents would be perfectly happy with, the lasgun and shotgun free switch outs.
- Rolling Thunders Vet Squad
I cannot see a situation in which my opponent would ever let me have access to that sort of buy potentiality. It's far to flexible and far to open to abuse, there's just too many options and not enough restrictions. I also think it removes the interesting nature of having the 'types' of vets in Grenadiers, Forward Sentries and Demolitions.
- Half-sized Vet squad
I feel similarly about this as I do with the sniper squad. We can currently have Spec Weaps, Storm Troopers and CCS/PCS as small elite squad choices and this unit just seems like a compromise between the disadvantages each has.
I think you also need to specify if people can also buy vetran weapons teams with this and if they can get a dedicated transport. With these options allowed you could do some evil things, like field squads of Micro-vets squads with 2 x MG, 1 * AC, plus a Chimera for 125points each. Now take 4 of them for 500points and that's a lot of mobile nasty weapons. Still got 2 troop choices for platoons (usually enough).
I think Machine Gun Kelly's options to upgrade some existing units to Vet. might be more palatable than this , plus you can probably get the point cost out of another codex book to add to the validity of the cost etc.
- Rough Riders optionally use hunting lance etc
I like this idea and don't see that an opponent would kick up much of a fuss about it. It makes the unit more versatile and, assuming the explosive head is detachable, it makes a reasonable amount of sense.
I was thinking that RR might have the option to buy a rapid fire weapon (either lasgun, boltgun or hot-shot lasgun) for an appropriate point cost but with the caveat that they cannot fire their gun in the same round they charge (as they need to prep their lances). Makes them a little more versatile but nothing too scary.
Apart from that I see the biggest dead ends of the codex in it's current state as being Ogryns and the Techpriest Enginseer. I also think Penal Legion could do with some sort of weapon upgrade thing, an optional buy probably, that allows for some more fun ways to use the randomness of their special rule. Just my 187 cents  |
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Post by grimm on Jul 27, 2009 10:34:08 GMT -5
It is the same as the regular codex. You just need to look at the sniper rules in the big book to tie it all together.
Heavy bolter has a range of 36" already. Perhaps you're thinking of the autocannon? I think that 36" is fine - it matches all other sniper rifles in the game, and 1.5 x the normal range of the weapon it's based off of is A-okay in my book.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 27, 2009 10:48:13 GMT -5
Hardened Veterans
Unit Size: 1 Sergeant, 4 Veterans.
Cost: 45 points. Additional Veterans may be purchased at 8pts per model
Profile:
Veteran
WS: 3 BS: 4 S: 3 T: 3 I: 3 A: 2 Ld: 8 SV: 5+
Veteran Sergeant
WS: 4 BS: 4 S: 3 T: 3 I: 3 A: 3 Ld: 8 SV: 5+
Wargear: Lasgun, laspistol, close combat weapon, frag and krak grenades, flak armour.
Upgrades:
Up to three Veterans may purchase a special weapon, up to one may purchase a Heavy Flamer: (As in codex)
One Veteran may take a Demolition charge at 20 points
Two Veterans may form a Heavy Weapons Team. If no special weapons are taken, then the Veterans squad may form a Second Heavy Weapons Team.
Any Veterans may swap their lasguns for shotguns at 1pts per model.
(Shotgun :S3 AP-, Assault 2, may re-roll failed To Wound rolls)
Any Veterans Squad may purchase these upgrades:
Carapace Armour: 15pts.
Meltabombs: 15pts.
Stealth: 10pts.
Defensive Grenades: 10pts.
Infiltrate: 10pts.
Move Through Cover: 5pts.
Scouts: 10pts.
Deepstrike: 10pts.
Hardened Fighters (Upgrade to WS4): 10pts
Chimera, 55pts.
Sergeant may take normal upgrades, plus a refractor field for 15pts.
Any unit purchasing 30 points worth of upgrades, or more, counts as an Elites choice. Anything under that, a Troops choice.
Reds, this is as far as I am willing to compromise on this. This buildout represents an effective, fluffy and dangerous unit choice without being broken. It can be used to represent anyone from Athraxian Tunnel Rats to Catachan Jungle Fighters to Harkoni Warhawks to Drookian Fenguard - in essence, it serves to reintroduce all the nice, cool things that were ripped from the still-warm body of the Imperial Guard in the latest codex, without being f***ed.
In all honesty, this is, in my opinion, the most important issue - the fact it is impossible to accurately field anything approaching infiltrators, Light Infantry or any sort of Veterans except as the old, second-edition varient of them as 'Upgunned Guardsmen'.
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Post by Melissia on Jul 27, 2009 10:53:18 GMT -5
So why not add in a few units instead of one megaunit?
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 27, 2009 14:13:57 GMT -5
Well, today I'm going to be very, VERY, busy, and I only have, like, a half hour left to use the computer for the day. In lieu, I'm asking Reds to compile a list of agreed upon changes, whilst I add in the Rough Riders changes. Makarova (M.I.A): I'm pretty sure that the Bikes are pretty much in, but they will get put in in the 2nd phase. About the Sniper teams: If it's sorta of a compromise, that is fine in my book, as it would be good for a "Take all comers" List. Our other two sniper choices, I assume, would be rather more specialized. (Not including the Vindicare here, since it really isn't Guard) @ RT: What if the player purchased exactly 30 points worth of upgrades? Would that mean it would be an elite choice? Melissia: The whole bunch of new units would get VERY tedious to think up of for most possibilities. Which is why I'm considering a more serious version of your Created Units thread (Not poking holes in it, great, fun, thread, but there seems to be a few...more.....silly units. I'm sure most of the units in your thread will get included in the add-on units codex) Speaking of Codex 2.0, I'm considering doing it ally style. This way, certain players (We all know who they are), won't abuse it, and take armies entirely of auxiliary (The term which I am going to refer to player created units) units. Codex 2.0 is where most of the new created units will go, such like the bikes, or the Attack Dogs. (possibly, might get included in this codex since practically almost EVERYONE has some sort of bike) Codex IGMB (In planning, don't hold your breath), will include rules for all of you! (I.E Me being the clueless Vindicare, Melissia the Battle Sister, Reds being the Groover, etc) |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 27, 2009 15:04:13 GMT -5
Kai - see my recent edit for the rules-lawyer killing.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 27, 2009 15:28:38 GMT -5
*Ahem*
These are in practical terms no different than ratlings, other than costing a bit more...
As a former tabletop sniper spammer, allow me to offer my opinion of what this should be.
0-1 Guard Sniper Squad
3-5 Sniper teams:
A sniper team would be one sniper and one spotter. These would be on two bases. Every pair must stay in base contact, but pairs maintain normal coherency rules.
WS= 4
BS= 5
T= 3
In= 3
Str= 3
W= 1
Ld= 7
Sv= 5+
Cost= 18 points/ pair
Wargear: Sniper has: 'Retribution' pattern long-las. Both sniper and spotter have: Ghillie Suit, las pistol. (see Equipment Mods)
Special Rules/ equipment:
Infiltrate: See W40K core rule book.
Spotter: Sniper teams ignore the night-fighting special rules, as long as the spotter is alive.
'Retribution' pattern long-las: Master-crafted sniper rifle. R48" S4 AP5 Heavy 1, (rending, pinning from the sniper rules)
Ghillie Suit: A model wearing a Ghillie Suit always has a 3+ cover save. Also, any unit wishing to shoot at the sniper squad must do so while abiding by the night fighting rules.
Forward operatives: Sniper teams may never receive orders, as they must maintain the utmost stealth.
Edit: Simplified the ghillie suit, as I kind of made it complicated.
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