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Post by yvain on Apr 4, 2014 9:26:31 GMT -5
This is pretty rough. Two units with unique mobility are nerfed. (marbo, stormtroopers losing special ops rule)
The Vendetta nerf, while expected, is bad too. I suppose they have to figure out a way to sell the ISB.
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Post by Trickstick on Apr 4, 2014 13:24:19 GMT -5
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! They've done it, they are getting rid of Marbo! According to rumors on faeit 212 our little catachan friend is no more, possibly bein turned into a data slate. I think this is the beginning of the nerf to the imperial guard. What is this "Imperial Guard" of which you speak? There is not section for it on the GW website. Astra Militarum pre-orders are up though.
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Post by vegna on Apr 4, 2014 13:31:43 GMT -5
anyone know where I can get a lot of cardboard boxes? got a lot of models to sell ¬_¬
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Post by yvain on Apr 4, 2014 13:54:04 GMT -5
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! They've done it, they are getting rid of Marbo! According to rumors on faeit 212 our little catachan friend is no more, possibly bein turned into a data slate. I think this is the beginning of the nerf to the imperial guard. What is this "Imperial Guard" of which you speak? There is not section for it on the GW website. Astra Militarum Imperial Guard pre-orders are up though. What are we actually pre-ordering? A bunch of stuff that was already available? This is a pretty terrible release. We get the hydra and some cards. Sure there is the Shortbus and a plastic stromtrooper squad, but it isn't actually for certain that it is even in the codex any more. Where the hell are the Oygrns? Or the rumored Basilisk to other multi kit?
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Post by yvain on Apr 4, 2014 14:11:53 GMT -5
On the plus side armored sents dropped 15 points. HF is free, ML is 5, and PC/LC is 10. Maybe sents are worth it now.
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Post by cheminhaler on Apr 4, 2014 14:47:32 GMT -5
Can armoured sents outflank now?
Marbo would have taken up... what.. one page and a unit entry.. so 1.5 pages max?!
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Post by yvain on Apr 4, 2014 15:33:49 GMT -5
Doesn't look like, you can see the info on one of the preview pages at black library. The hunting lance is there and it looks the same. So that confirms RRs are in still as well.
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Post by Gunny O'Grady on Apr 4, 2014 15:37:50 GMT -5
Wow, a 170 point Vendetta and no Marbo. I'm all for balancing the game, but Jesus that's a hard nerf.
And I didn't think that they'd actually do it -- rename the Guard. I'll be a monkey's uncle.
-Gunny
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Post by Gunny O'Grady on Apr 4, 2014 15:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 4, 2014 16:16:33 GMT -5
I just saw this myself. I'll be pissed if it's true, as my Marbo conversion is one of my favorites ever, even if he's never actually really managed to do anything any of the times I've fielded him...
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Post by gamma016 on Apr 4, 2014 16:19:34 GMT -5
Actually if you check out the site now they only have one commissar. There must be a multi piece plastic one coming out next week. I really hope that we get more models to order next week.
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Post by boyo2406 on Apr 4, 2014 16:40:26 GMT -5
Bought Marbo last week, quite pissed off if he is not in the Codex anymore.
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Post by boyo2406 on Apr 4, 2014 16:47:31 GMT -5
It gets worse, has Lord Commissar gone?
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Post by yvain on Apr 4, 2014 17:17:55 GMT -5
It is doubtful. That would leave the guard with only one HQ choice. It might be removed because it is finecast.
I like how they are still selling Marbo and he is one of the few units left in the elite section.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Apr 4, 2014 23:30:40 GMT -5
For the cash cost of the Hydra kit, it had better be able to shred medium flyers on the tabletop.
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Post by treadiculous on Apr 5, 2014 4:48:46 GMT -5
cool news about the vendetta.. hopefully they'll increase the cost of the valkyrie too (and about time).
Marbo... well its a small shame, though I always loved that he was better at stealth assassinations than anything else in the 40k universe.
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Post by stovrose on Apr 5, 2014 5:58:11 GMT -5
Too lazy to search for this info, so I figured I'd share. Just pre-ordered the Codex from Black Library Digital Edition. Says "Available for download 12/04/2014. Looks like we have to wait another 8 more months guys.
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Post by gamma016 on Apr 5, 2014 6:15:16 GMT -5
Day/month/year
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Post by vegna on Apr 5, 2014 7:26:58 GMT -5
Too lazy to search for this info, so I figured I'd share. Just pre-ordered the Codex from Black Library Digital Edition. Says "Available for download 12/04/2014. Looks like we have to wait another 8 more months guys. GWS is British, they use the day/month/year system. so you have 7 days. With the current way their going Marbo will probably get his own spin off mini dex with a name change.
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Post by yvain on Apr 5, 2014 8:44:38 GMT -5
They now have a leaked unit list from a spanish site on Faeit and the following is missing:
Medusa Colossus Griffon Al'Rahem Chenkov Mogul Bodyguards Penal Legion Bastonne
What a great release this is turning out to be!
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Post by vegna on Apr 5, 2014 9:38:33 GMT -5
I here by say it'#s time for Revolution! the massed ranks of guards must mobilise to the defence of our mighty force and our codex history! we will nto accept this as the 6th edition Guard codex but view it as a new army! Whos with me?
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Post by treadiculous on Apr 5, 2014 9:44:07 GMT -5
c'mon there's going to be a bunch of new units which will replace them.
this 'oh woe is us, poor guard, our OP dex may be brought into line' is sad.
eldar players were doom and gloom and got a decent dex,
marine players were doom and gloom and got a decent dex,
heck, just prior to the release of our current 5th ed dex guard players were doom and gloom!
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Post by yvain on Apr 5, 2014 9:49:08 GMT -5
There is still some hope, like maybe like maybe Medusa count as unit upgrades now and don't appear in the main list where they guy is getting his info. The Psyker Battle Squad isn't there, but something called a Wyrdvane Psyker is. Its is like I want to keep hoping they are rumors, but in the past every time there have been leaks this close to the codex dropping they have turned out to be true.
If it is at least 10 unit entries simply disappear. Nearly all of them have models in existence that are just ignored outside of forge world. I haven't used any of these units outside of Marbo, but its pretty much BS to say "hey guys you bought this stuff from, us now go screw yourself"
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Post by yvain on Apr 5, 2014 9:59:05 GMT -5
c'mon there's going to be a bunch of new units which will replace them. this 'oh woe is us, poor guard, our OP dex may be brought into line' is sad. eldar players were doom and gloom and got a decent dex, marine players were doom and gloom and got a decent dex, heck, just prior to the release of our current 5th ed dex guard players were doom and gloom! I am not really worried about codex power, I am worried about stuff getting pulled for no reason. There is little to be excited about. The Taurox is new. The bullgryn, scions, and the Wyvern are just reworks of old units. And in the Wyvern's case, they just took out 3 units to give you one. That is pretty lame. I have felt that everything GW has done in the past year or so has been to give everyone more options. There are more units in play, more rules, more scenrios (Escaltion, Stronghold Assault, Kill Team). It may not be super balanced (possibly not at all), but now you have a lot of options to play how you want and that is great. Just removing stuff is counter to that, the spore in the nid book is the worst. These possible guard changes might be the future for a lot of armies. I am sure guard will be okay long run, but as I said before what is there to look forward to paying 50 bucks for?
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 5, 2014 11:32:16 GMT -5
So, got the latest WD, and Wyvern looks interesting for sure. It can be squadroned (up to 3). Jes Bickham made a comment that makes no sense in the front of WD when he was talking about the Wyvern kit, and then said that his 'nids would be needing their cover saves more than ever... But the Wyvern ignores cover... I suppose he could be talking about versus Guard in general, but the way he arranged the sentences made it seem like he was referring to the Wyvern. It looks like we'll also be seeing an Armored Fist kit--a unit of 10 Shockies plus a Chimera, which is neat for Cadian collectors. I'm sorely tempted to get the Wyvern just for the joy of building it--it does look like it was pretty nicely designed overall, especially in comparison to the abortion known as the Taurox Imperial Short Bus--and converting the gunner and spotter to be 'Chans. Edit: Whoa! The Hydra can be built with the barrels in different lengths representing them recoiling as the system cycles through firing. That is damn neat.
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