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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 28, 2014 14:26:57 GMT -5
So apparently unsold 6th edition rule books are now being pulled from stores, and the combined update-erated 6.5 or 7th edition is to be released towards the end of May... BoLS Linky.
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Post by yvain on Apr 28, 2014 14:52:34 GMT -5
The 6th edition rule book is no longer available on the GW websites, which is adding fuel to this new rumor. They rumor about psy power cards being removed could indicate the revamping of the powers chart, which is really necessary.
I really hope they add something like phased turns a la epic to the game. It would really revitalize the game in a big way.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 28, 2014 15:29:55 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad I never bothered to learn 6th Ed, then.
Edit: The more I think about this, the weirder it gets. Has GW ever done something like this before? It seems kind of odd.
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Post by treadiculous on Apr 28, 2014 17:24:30 GMT -5
not much changed for 6th: hull points, death from the front of unit, overwatch and 2D6 charge distance, precision shots, an overhaul of the special rules and the psychic powers seemed to be all. (why did I buy the big book... why?) I'm getting less and less inclined to get the books, and have surprised myself by being quite 'meh' in enthusiasm about the astro mutantum, I'll get the stats from somewhere and run army lists as legal when required but I've noticed I'm spending much much less on GW and more on other stores for bits and am always happier when making up my own rules for units and scenarios (just as Jervis et al intended). ho hum. Edit --- Reds: you are right: it is really unusual, speculation will fly! personally I think its probably a dodge to avoid some kind of legal thing going on behind the scenes.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 28, 2014 17:29:42 GMT -5
I'm getting less and less inclined to get the books, and have surprised myself by being quite 'meh' in enthusiasm about the astro mutantum... Yes, give in to your apathy! Come to the "Meh" side of the force! We have clothes without paint stains and disposable income!
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Post by jenburdoo on Apr 28, 2014 18:18:08 GMT -5
Agreed with Reds and Treadiculous here. While I've bought the new AM book, I haven't played it or read thru it more than once. Dunno when I'll play again at this point, it seems such a hassle to schlep everything 25 miles to play and then maybe even not get in a game. Waiting for 7th!
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Post by Gunny O'Grady on Apr 28, 2014 20:59:39 GMT -5
F'n A, Pappy.
-Gunny
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Post by treadiculous on Apr 29, 2014 5:01:14 GMT -5
don't get me wrong, the models are cool and I like the games I play.. its just that they are getting further and further from the official version of the game as I incorporate house rules and cinematic freedom to the games.
that said I am noticing that some of my house rules often become official rules when the next version is released.
I'm still trying to find a better mechanic than the minimum 2 or 3 rolls of D6 to determine a casualty (to hit, to wound, probable save), I've sketched a D100 table for percentage style calculation but its a long way from being usable.
In an upcoming game I am planning I have responded to friends (who are not '40k full timers' - they like to play now and then but find the clunkiness hard to swallow) by devising a simplified version of 40k to increase pace and reduce complexity. Essentially I have reduced units to one stat line (so no sergeants etc), modified the vehicle damage table to have no shaken or stunned (as I always forgot or confused those), and ensured that wargear is kept to a minimum. I'd rather have a big baddass looking game than a bunch of clumsy special rules that makes my 'Hero Of The Universe' more 'Hero Of The Universe' than your 'Hero Of the Universe'.
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Post by ogguardsman on Apr 29, 2014 9:53:13 GMT -5
I may be way off with this but I think it will be something like the old Compendiums they used to put out. I think the bulk of the content will be something like mini rulebook + Escalation + Stronghold with a few tweaks that align with what Jervis has been writing about in recent WDs. I don't expect any big changes, a few rules updates/changes and some alterations to missions and some new scenarios but I'd be surprised if it was a complete two army starter box set.
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Post by yvain on Apr 29, 2014 10:00:19 GMT -5
Rumor just popped up for an eldar & IG starter set coming with new edition. This is pretty interesting. You could buy one and use it as an allied army. (Provided the rules stay the same)
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 29, 2014 10:43:46 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if the starter set didn't include some flavor of power armor (spikey, red, blue, furry fetish, etc). Wasn't there an IG/Eldar rumor floating around before Dark Vengeance dropped, too?
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Post by cheminhaler on Apr 29, 2014 14:06:52 GMT -5
There were 2 rumours for starter boxes - blood angels vs orks and steel legion vs orks. There were also rumours about there being 2 starter boxes but this sounds too far fetched.
Hard to believe this is happening in one month, I've only just got the new guard codex on mail order. I totally fell for the 'buy one limited edition space marine captain in order to have the right to buy another space marine captain with a special code' gimmick. Thinking about it, this is sort of the opposite of 'buy one get one free'.
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Post by yvain on Apr 30, 2014 18:00:44 GMT -5
Updated Rumor says its 6.5 with a new 700 page book for 100 bucks. Also divination change to prescience off the primaris to as roll of a 5 on the chart. And power level cost of 2. I can buy this so far. The only new rumor I don't believe is a faq for old players to keep using their old books. That is when pigs fly
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 30, 2014 18:17:12 GMT -5
What the what? $100? See, that makes me think this is less about fixing a screwed up edition of the rules and more about trying to make people buy a new rulebook without actually writing a new rule book.
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Post by yvain on Apr 30, 2014 18:23:08 GMT -5
From the rumor mines, its is mostly a consolidation of rule books. So escalation, stronghold assault, maybe even kill team in one book. Then add in some micro changes like revamped psy powers. So it makes a new player only have to buy one book. It does make sense then that you could just faq it and use the old rulebooks. We will just have to see. My bet is with you that they just make you buy something new
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Post by KRIEGEIRK on Apr 30, 2014 18:38:16 GMT -5
I haven't usually been one to criticize GW for their price increases because that is just business and they do produce very nice mini's. However, I do agree with Reds. This alleged "new" rule book I am ready to call foul on GW. Am I correct in saying 6th came out less than two years ago?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 30, 2014 18:44:05 GMT -5
I haven't usually been one to criticize GW for their price increases because that is just business and they do produce very nice mini's. However, I do agree with Reds. This alleged "new" rule book I am ready to call foul on GW. Am I correct in saying 6th came out less than two years ago? June 23rd, 2012, according to wiki.
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Post by Trickstick on Apr 30, 2014 20:17:14 GMT -5
The source on that prescience rumour was the sister-in-law of someone in the BOLS comment section. As always, not saying it is wrong but hardly concrete.
I am liking the sound of the "3 books in one" rumour. The main problem that I have with the big rule book is that it is a pain to carry. Cutting out the non-essential parts will make it easier to fit. Reminds me of the old 2nd edition books.
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Post by sunshine on May 1, 2014 3:56:54 GMT -5
My favourite version of the GW rulebooks is this one far more handy than the massive tome rulebook and far nicer than the Dark Vengeance mini rulebook. I probably won't buy the 6.5 rulebook, unless they release it a similar version to the mini rulebook I currently use.
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Post by treadiculous on May 1, 2014 7:20:06 GMT -5
this is an example of a game mechanic I would like to see adopted in 40k. (it means a canon shell won't bounce round the corner or behind some large terrain piece, instead it will explode on the first piece of scenery that it hits as it travels toward the location determined by the scatter). suddenly standing in front of walls is not such a good idea. ( for example see 2:07 to 2:11... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewWtjYzIKyM ) Maybe this edition will bring it...
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Post by yvain on May 1, 2014 7:41:41 GMT -5
The would be pretty cool. I doubt they would think that far ahead, but it is a neat idea.
The simultaneous turn things to me is the best solution to the game and I keep dreaming it going to happen (rumored to be included after price decrease and then sister of battle book, but before squat re-release). Alpha strikes in first turn are just so devastating it can make the game less fun when you clear huge points worth of models off the table before it begins. Night fighting mitigates that to an extent, but it would make each move more tactical. Really it was the best thing about epic that almost made me want to buy the littler models.
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Post by yvain on May 1, 2014 9:05:20 GMT -5
More crazy rules posted at faeit natfka.blogspot.com/2014/05/major-changes-to-40k-coming-sideboards.htmlHere is a copy and paste: FoC removed, percentages added. Players have a "sideboard" of up to X number of selections (2-5, bracketed on points, so 1k or less games you have 2 sideboards, at 3k+ you have 5). Sideboards can't be more than 25% of the total, or can be none at all. They are referred to as "Secondary Detachments." They are used for anything from allies to just additional things from your own codex. If they are allies, then they require an HQ and a troop, and are still bound by the 25% of total. Both players are expected to have sideboards. Sideboarding is now a part of the game, done before deployment but in order of turn priority. So the person going first, picks their sideboard first after learning what race their opponent is playing, and seeing 75% of their army (and the available sideboards). The person going second then picks their sideboard, after their opponent has selected, but before either side deploys. ---------------------------- Other tweeks include assaulting as a form of sweeping advance/consolidation. The option to flee, in response to being charged (after overwatching) but there is the potential to be swept and the unit charging can (if they have the movement and sweep you) just hit a different unit provided it's in the same rough direction as the unit they swept. The main thing I wanted to touch on is sideboards, % based army building, battle brothers being removed and units being able to lock themselves into combat to combat, but simultaneously enemy generals having another tool to avoid combat to counter act this. Just to be clear so you have no misconceptions about what sideboarding is, (and I will have more details here in a bit as I get them sorted.) Sideboarding is building 2 or more alternative add on lists to your main force. There can be no more than 25% of your list and are chosen after the opponent reveals their list. Its now part of gameplay.
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Post by sunshine on May 1, 2014 9:35:19 GMT -5
Its highly likely that what faeit posted is fake, because rumours are pretty strongly pointing towards the new book being just 6th ed with the faqs and errata updates, stronghold assault and some other expansions included in it, not 7th ed.
Also, faeit posted it. Thats generally a pretty good indicator that the rumours need a lot of salt.
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Post by gamma016 on May 1, 2014 11:17:20 GMT -5
How will no FOC work? If everything is percent based list building will become so much more convoluted and complicated. With an 1850 point game your main army will be 1387.5 points.... That would jus be ridiculous
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Post by Trickstick on May 1, 2014 20:41:20 GMT -5
Also, faeit posted it. Thats generally a pretty good indicator that the rumours need a lot of salt. I quite like how Faeit posts rumours. He just puts up whatever isn't complete rubbish, cites the source as best he can and lets people decide for themselves if it is trustworthy. I don't put much stock in rumours anyway, so I find it entertaining.
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