AM/IG steel legion army list

[nebraska172]

Since my first post (6/30) this is what I have gathered all steel legion models wysiwyg. Haven't played a game with AM/IG yet but here is what I THINK I would do.

HQ
Yarrick
CCS w/2 plasma and lascannon; chimera w/heavy flamers

Troops
PCS w/ 4 grenade launchers
20 man blob squad w/ 2 heavy bolters
2 HWT 3 rocket launchers in each

3 vet squads w/ lascannons; in chimeras w/heavy flamers

Fast attack
Vendetta

Heavy
2 Leman Russ tanks

Can't decide how I want to run the leman Russ'. Before choosing them I would come in around 1200pts. I need to get an aegis defense line, 2 more vendettas (because I have 4 flyers in my tyranids army), and more regi lasgun steel legion to change into flamers and meltas for different vet squad choices. However, I do feel like this is a good start so far.

STRATEGY:
CCS and Vets roll out for take and contest objectives

Holding Backfield
Yarrick (warlord) w/20 man blob squad
PCS with HWTs

Russ' separate 1 each corner

Vendetta in reserves for support

Where do I go from here?





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[nebraska172]

So, aside from fitting my leman Russ' into the points, this list is viable? While adding an aegis defense line to the blob?


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[Casiarius]

Even keeping everything WYSIWYG with a limited selection of models, there are a few things that could stand to be shuffled.

I'd transfer the grenade launchers and plasma guns from the Command Squads to the Veterans. The grenade launchers are more effective in the hands of BS4 Veterans than they are with the BS3 PCS. The plasma guns will see more use if they are in the hands of front line troops rather than the valuable-but-fragile CCS (and both are BS4).
I'd also move the lascannons to other (stationary) squads so that they're not being snap-fired from a moving Chimera. If you give these mobile squads any heavy weapons at all, I suggest the heavy bolters, since they are cheaper and might even hit something while snap firing.

Which Leman Russ variants to take is a matter of taste, but it's worth noting that since you have four Troops choices, you could treat this as two Combined Arms Detachments and take the Leman Russes as an HQ choice with a Tank Commander. In that case, they'll need to stick together as a squadron of course.

Where is your Primaris Psyker? You get 1d6 free warp charges each turn, are you going to let them go to waste? Psyker buffs can be very powerful, and they're difficult for opponents to deny. The Primaris Psyker is also WS4 and has a force weapon and an invulnerable save, so Yarrick doesn't have to do all the melee combat himself.

[nebraska172]

All good things to think about. I am playing a 1000 pt game and this is what I came up with.
995 PTs
HQ yarrick (warlord)

Primarus Psycer

Tank commander pask
Punisher (pask)
Battle tank

Troops

Platoon 1
3 combined squads; 2w/lascannons

Platoon 2
2 combined squads w/ lascannons

Fortifications: aegis defense line

I am going to look at making a bet chimera list as well.


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[nebraska172]

All good things to think about. I am playing a 1000 pt game this coming Friday and this is what I came up with.

995 PTs
HQ yarrick (warlord)

Primarus Psycer

Tank commander pask
Punisher (pask)
Battle tank

Troops

Platoon 1
3 combined squads; 2w/lascannons

Platoon 2
2 combined squads w/ lascannons

Fortifications: aegis defense line



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[Casiarius]

Well, this list is not agile enough to go out and grab objectives with troops, so it's going to need to simply pulverize the enemy to win. Pask can certainly do that, but he's going to have to drive across the map to reach all his potential victims, and he's going to soak up a crazy amount of enemy fire. If your enemy is well-equipped for tank hunting, Pask may not accomplish much. If you want to use Pask in a 1000-point force, I'd either:
A) Give him a longer-ranged tank and park him in cover with camo netting and a protective layer of guardsmen, or
B) Make your other forces mobile and able to support/cover Pask as he advances.

[nebraska172]

1000 PTs
HQ
Yarrick

Primarus psyker lvl 2

CCS w/ 2 flamers in chimera

Troops

1 Vet squad w/ 2 meltas in a chimera

PCS
40 man blob squad w/ 4 auto cannons

Heavy
Leman Russ battle tank heavy bolter sponsons and a las cannon

This could allow more mobility for scoring with the vets and ccs in chimeras. I will be going against orks this Saturday, and I know my friend will be bringing all his new toys. Morkanaut will be there, and maybe some def dreads. He usually brings two looted battle wagons, so I think the meltas may be able to do some work on those.

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[Casiarius]

Due to the way ordinance weapons and heavy vehicles interact, a Leman Russ Battle Tank (or a Demolisher) must snap-fire its hull and sponson weapons if it fires the main gun. So, any ordinance-armed Russ is generally better-off skipping all weapons upgrades. If you're facing a Morkanaut and battle wagons, you might be better-off using it as a Vanquisher, which is cheaper anyway.

With only one squad of Veterans to give orders to, having your CCS following them around in another Chimera is not as advantageous as it once was. I'm tempted to say that the Vets should be left to go it alone, the CCS should be given a shooting role, and the Chimera should be traded in for something that could be a lot more critical... maybe a Priest and some power weapons for the blob.

[nebraska172]

Thanks for the insight. I think I am going to drop the ccs all together, and rework some men/points around. Vets were going to "tank hunt" with meltas, but what's the point in throwing a ccs with them if they can't get orders inside the chimera anyway. Thinking about it I have been trying to fit to much into my list, and need to make it more efficient.
Back to the drawing board.

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[Casiarius]

There are certainly multiple ways that Veterans can be used, but I think the mobile Chimera pillbox of the old codex is an obsolete tactic. Your vets can have three special weapons and a heavy weapon, all with BS4. Why waste that by treating the whole squad as basically a set of meltagun sponsons for their Chimera?
I like to give mine carapace armor and have them jump out and fight alongside their transport as the enemy gets close. I end up with a lot more firepower that way, and it can be increased further by giving them orders and/or buffs from a psyker.