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Post by mannimal on Feb 21, 2015 15:08:08 GMT -5
Hi all
Not been play Guard or 40k long, I've got about 15 games under my belt so far.
What I was wondering was, is there any reason if a standard leman Russ takes sponsons that they can't be fired first before the battlecannon?
This way all shots can fire a full BS.
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Post by cheminhaler on Feb 21, 2015 15:25:08 GMT -5
No; I think the rules specifically state that you start with the longest ranged weapons. Granted most people roll different coloured dice just to differentiate the shots, at the same time; this is a time saving mechanism, nothing more... Even then if you shoot the ordnance weapon (the battlecannon) then all other shots are 'Snap shots'.
It would be cheating otherwise.
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Post by treadiculous on Feb 21, 2015 22:14:15 GMT -5
Not sure about the 'longest range first' rule.
However, while i like the logic behind this idea, I think that as long as the ordnance is being fired it automatically causes all other shots to be 'snap' shots regardless of if they fire first or second.
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Post by dougeye on Feb 25, 2015 11:44:34 GMT -5
its a case of you know your going to fire it so in a sense you have to declare that, meaning which ever you fire first is does not matter you would fire the sponons as snap shots regardless of which order you resolve the attacks. As your new to the game we can give you some slack for asking but normally id say your trying very hard to bend the rules and the wording of the rule book lol  no worries for now though. |
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Post by emptyhat on Feb 25, 2015 13:29:24 GMT -5
So Manimal is cool but Tread needs to be sent to the penal legions.
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Post by treadiculous on Feb 25, 2015 18:06:05 GMT -5
sent... pff.
I AM THE PENAL LEGIONS
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Post by emptyhat on Feb 25, 2015 18:17:28 GMT -5
sent... pff. I AM THE PENAL LEGIONS *inserts Tread into dirty wordplay* |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Feb 25, 2015 19:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by treadiculous on Feb 26, 2015 5:04:39 GMT -5
BLAM:  Thankfully I have spare heads.  |
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Post by mannimal on Feb 28, 2015 15:19:28 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
I will be joining thread in the penal legion as I am trying to push the rules a little.
Speaking of which, using a leman Russ executioner with plasma sponsons. Can the turret and sponsons fire together as they are all plasma cannons, or do the two sponsons fire after into a squad with less men to get under a template.
I've got an idea what the answer will be as this does smell a little cheesy.
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Post by dougeye on Mar 1, 2015 2:20:46 GMT -5
they can fire together but the turret and sponsons have slightly different stats so best to fire seperatly if your still learning. Also remember to roll for gets hot on your plasmas. also another reason not to roll all of them together as you may roll 3 1's and wreck yourself lol if you roll one after the other you can stop before inflicting too many hull points.
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Post by cheminhaler on Mar 2, 2015 15:33:08 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry, apparently in 7th you get to choose which weapons to shoot first, so you can shoot tactically in some instances. This is still no excuse to circumvent the snap shots from a vehicle firing ordnance weaponry.
Getting the rules wrong again; Hah! The Penal Legions will never get me !
*Fires a water-pistol vaguely in Tread's direction before running into the sewers*
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 2, 2015 15:42:08 GMT -5
The Executioner cannon isn't ordnance though, IIRC... Isn't it heavy?
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Post by cheminhaler on Mar 2, 2015 15:51:56 GMT -5
Yeah the Executioner, the exterminator and the eradicator (nova cannon isn't ordnance) are all OK..
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Post by glutebite on Mar 3, 2015 8:24:41 GMT -5
I have been known to field a Lehman Russ HQ tank squad with a Punisher/Pask and 2 Executioner w/ Plasma sponsons in battles before. Pask saved many a GETS HOT on the plasma shots. Having the ability to do tank orders and target 2 different units is nice. I've been known to also put the tanks behind a ADL and with camo netting getting +3 cover saves for tanks is nothing to laugh at.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 3, 2015 14:52:56 GMT -5
they can fire together but the turret and sponsons have slightly different stats so best to fire seperatly if your still learning. Also remember to roll for gets hot on your plasmas. also another reason not to roll all of them together as you may roll 3 1's and wreck yourself lol if you roll one after the other you can stop before inflicting too many hull points. Don't forget that vehicles essentially get a 4+ save vs gets hot. |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Mar 8, 2015 6:35:47 GMT -5
they can fire together but the turret and sponsons have slightly different stats so best to fire seperatly if your still learning. Also remember to roll for gets hot on your plasmas. also another reason not to roll all of them together as you may roll 3 1's and wreck yourself lol if you roll one after the other you can stop before inflicting too many hull points. Don't forget that vehicles essentially get a 4+ save vs gets hot. How so? |
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Post by mannimal on Mar 8, 2015 11:42:30 GMT -5
7ed rulebook P164-gets hot
A vehicle instead suffers a glancing hit on a further roll of a 1,2 or 3.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 8, 2015 11:42:36 GMT -5
Don't forget that vehicles essentially get a 4+ save vs gets hot. How so? I'm looking at the box that has all the Gets Hot rules, in the little book that is on page 164. Right after it talks about characters not getting Look Out Sir against it and before it starts Gets Hot and Re-rolls it says: "A vehicle instead suffers a glancing hit on a further roll of a 1,2,3." The instead part is instead of suffering a wound. So after rolling a 1 to hit you only suffer a glancing hit 50% of the time. |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Mar 9, 2015 6:55:59 GMT -5
Fantastic cheers for that mate
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no worries for now though.
