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Post by Walk on Nov 19, 2015 18:15:08 GMT -5
So I'm sure you guys have seen that there is a rumor of a new guard codex coming soon. Figured I would post what I would know about what's coming. When I saw the rumor on BoLS I honestly didn't think it would be this early but my friendly gw employee (who I am good friends with, and drive to work quite often) was nice enough to let me take a peak at his interoffice memo (no idea what they call it) but it definitely confirmed what is coming. Basically, the tyranids will be coming first with a release shortly after of a campaign box of a similar style as the tau/space marine one that will be coupled with guard. Guard will be the following month with a supplement style rulebook (think how they did tau) and an update on a few kits. It also said we will be getting a decurian style formation and mentioned armored company but I saw nothing else about what that entails or any hint at any other formations.
Thats all I know 40k wise. What followed was a break for some Age of Sigmar stuff followed by more 30k stuff (!!!!). So whether you choose to believe me or not, that is what I know. Thoughts?
Edit: forgot that the assassins are coming out separate from the board game coming up soon.
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Post by bayushikoichi on Nov 20, 2015 11:24:28 GMT -5
I would like to see a completely new plastic army. Not sure exactly what but no rehashing of an old army.
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Post by Walk on Nov 20, 2015 14:07:36 GMT -5
From what I understand, it will solely be updates for outdated kits.
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 20, 2015 14:34:50 GMT -5
As it should be. Imagine all the nerd rage if Cadians and Catachans were dropped. If the standard marine tactical squad got 2 recuts over the last ten years and both the main guard regiments got none, it would hardly be fair. The standard Catachan kit I'd expect to change a lot, considering how big they are next to The Catachan command squads and heavy weapon squads.
Hoping for new rough riders and some fun formations.
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Post by emptyhat on Nov 20, 2015 15:59:16 GMT -5
Re-cut boxes of guard. 5 guardsmen for £30.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Nov 20, 2015 18:41:27 GMT -5
So if it's only updates for old kits, that increases the chances of Rough Riders, I'd think. That's the one "old" kit that stands out in my mind. Wouldn't be surprised at slightly more expensive troop boxes with more weapon options, either.
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Post by Walk on Nov 20, 2015 21:35:41 GMT -5
There have been rumors of what resembles a kit for veterans.
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Nov 21, 2015 3:13:45 GMT -5
Considering 'shotguns' are an option for veterans they'd have to include them in a kit or drop them from the codex altogether.
I think a new Catachan box set, new Rough Riders and a Veterans "Upgrade Kit" would be realistic expectations...
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 21, 2015 6:08:39 GMT -5
It'll probably be veterans in the normal guard box. So ten shotgun arms and ten alt heads for the vets and a price rise of some kind. If heavy weapons get recut it'll just be for some new heads and saving space on the sprue and a thinner box.
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Post by OConnell on Nov 22, 2015 1:18:10 GMT -5
Though this is great news and all, does anyone know what the chances of GW bringing back an old army would be? I was hoping to see something such as a Valhallan or steel legion kit be rebooted.
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 22, 2015 14:47:09 GMT -5
You never know; there were rumours of plastic Steel Legion a long time ago but as part of a guard vs ork campaign, not guard vs tyranids.
3 regiments at once might be a bit too overwhelming but it's been done before with 6 regiments all in metal.
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Nov 22, 2015 19:16:56 GMT -5
It'll probably be veterans in the normal guard box. So ten shotgun arms and ten alt heads for the vets and a price rise of some kind. If heavy weapons get recut it'll just be for some new heads and saving space on the sprue and a thinner box. A Heavy Weapons box with legs in a laying-down-on-your-guts position instead of kneeling. A lot of us have already customised this for our models but it would be an easy change up for that box set. |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Nov 22, 2015 19:22:05 GMT -5
You never know; there were rumours of plastic Steel Legion a long time ago but as part of a guard vs ork campaign, not guard vs tyranids. 3 regiments at once might be a bit too overwhelming but it's been done before with 6 regiments all in metal. I think you've hit it on the head Chem, unfortunately it wouldn't make sense for the iconic Steel Legion to be duking it out with 'nids. If anything I think the box set will contain Catachans and 'nids. The Cadian set, though old, still looks good whereas Catachans do look a bit dated. I reckon they'll be defending a biomass rich jungle world/death world that the 'nids have been attracted to. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 23, 2015 7:16:19 GMT -5
If I were a betting person I'd think catachans are most likely for the campaign but the kits are getting old so I'd expect a basic recut at this point on everything except the command squads.
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Post by yvain on Nov 23, 2015 9:59:49 GMT -5
The main thing I would like to see is updated infantry models and female IG. I would go with Victoria, but she doesn't do Catachans :/ New rules are coming out. I am against formations as I think too many of them are absurdly OP. It looks like they are releasing a detachment that is listed specifically as Cadian. This makes me wonder if we are getting new Regiment rules (like chapter tactics which would be awesome)or if we are just getting regiment specific formations (which would be lametown). I am not sure on the rules for linking stuff so I won't directly link the rumored images. boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/43787392/how-the-fornicate-do-we-use-these-formations I will let you find the link yourselves. On the plus side they look pretty reasonable and decently fluffy. No army wide 4+ FNP a la necrons. Still its opening a can of worms I would rather now jump down. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 23, 2015 15:22:55 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Yvain.
3 platoons minimum for a Core choice, then you need auxiliary, and you need a sentinel per platoon. So around 80 models minimum...
Wow; formations are the new Apocalypse. My marine Battle Company is minimum 2000 points; it seems that all the new 'pure formation' style armies are just for huge points levels. Some of them look interesting. They follow the same pattern as the marine ones. The artillery formation looks very similar to the vanilla marine Armoured Task Force.
Edit; Actually I've run about seventy infantry plus 30 rough riders and artillery before at 1500 points so it shouldn't be too hard squeezing extra formation stuff in there. Disappointed at the lack of mention of rough riders.
Edit 2 ; I'm not seeing the 5 x infantry squad minimum per platoon, like the commenters are saying. If you need 50 guard per platoon then forget it; its for apocalypse...
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Post by yvain on Nov 23, 2015 17:54:52 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Yvain. 3 platoons minimum for a Core choice, then you need auxiliary, and you need a sentinel per platoon. So around 80 models minimum... Wow; formations are the new Apocalypse. My marine Battle Company is minimum 2000 points; it seems that all the new 'pure formation' style armies are just for huge points levels. Some of them look interesting. They follow the same pattern as the marine ones. The artillery formation looks very similar to the vanilla marine Armoured Task Force. Edit; Actually I've run about seventy infantry plus 30 rough riders and artillery before at 1500 points so it shouldn't be too hard squeezing extra formation stuff in there. Disappointed at the lack of mention of rough riders. Edit 2 ; I'm not seeing the 5 x infantry squad minimum per platoon, like the commenters are saying. If you need 50 guard per platoon then forget it; its for apocalypse... You can sub in tanks for core. Either way it is around 400-500 points for core choices to just get access to three Aux choices. That isn't actually that much. I think Apocalypse is gone. It has been combined with standard 40k. As for rough riders, they have no models. It is possible they are gone from the codex as well. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 23, 2015 19:24:36 GMT -5
I'm 3 wyrdvane psykers short of that super psychic formation. Maybe I can play an unbound small game using only psykers, with the wyrdvane formation and the 500 point 5 psyker SM librarian formation. Need to order a pack of psykers, I think. (This is because last time they had non-psyker handler instead of 10th model being a psyker too..)
Rough riders are available from forge world; the Death Corps riders are great models. And so many have converted their own.
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Post by yvain on Nov 23, 2015 21:26:46 GMT -5
I'm 3 wyrdvane psykers short of that super psychic formation. Maybe I can play an unbound small game using only psykers, with the wyrdvane formation and the 500 point 5 psyker SM librarian formation. Need to order a pack of psykers, I think. (This is because last time they had non-psyker handler instead of 10th model being a psyker too..) Rough riders are available from forge world; the Death Corps riders are great models. And so many have converted their own. I know, but those are forge world. I have my own RR as well. However, GW has removed model-less units in the past. They could do it again. |
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Post by emptyhat on Nov 24, 2015 11:48:47 GMT -5
I'm 3 wyrdvane psykers short of that super psychic formation. Maybe I can play an unbound small game using only psykers, with the wyrdvane formation and the 500 point 5 psyker SM librarian formation. Need to order a pack of psykers, I think. (This is because last time they had non-psyker handler instead of 10th model being a psyker too..) Rough riders are available from forge world; the Death Corps riders are great models. And so many have converted their own. I have three of the metals and a pack of Empire Wizards I'm going to splice with Cadians at some point. It is tempting to get enough for the formation but how to sort out the other 7-10~ models. |
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Post by majorjav on Nov 25, 2015 14:44:05 GMT -5
Hello lads,
I think there is a misprint/typo on the "Emperor's shield" infantruy platoon...
On the photos we've all seen, it is stated 5 infantry squads so 5 10-man squads.
BUT on the GW web site, one can buy the "Emperor's shield" infantry platoon in which you have: 1 sentinel squadron, 1 command squad, 2 infatry squads ans 2 heavy weapons squads.
SO, I think the "Emperor's shield" platoon must have 5 infantry "units" and not "squads", thus having a platoon with 1 command squad, 2 infantry squads (compulsory choice) and 2 squads in any configuration (infantry, special or heavy)....it makes 5 squads!
Just my two cents!
Let's see if I'm right or not!
Cheers!
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 26, 2015 9:43:46 GMT -5
OK, I just saw the clause under the Emperor's Shield infantry platoon. It says 'The infantry platoon must include at least five Infantry Squads. Units taken as part of the Infantry Platoon may not take dedicated transports'.
Seems pretty clear cut. They specify Infantry Squads.
That's a huge points sink.....
It's still possible to use CAD + formations for a battle forged army.
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Post by that1guy on Nov 26, 2015 11:44:46 GMT -5
Re-cut boxes of guard. 5 guardsmen for £30.  ....that would make sense. *gets executed by the Modissair for infecting company moral* |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Nov 26, 2015 11:52:32 GMT -5
Re-cut boxes of guard. 5 guardsmen for £30. ....that would make sense. *gets executed by the Modissair for infecting company moral* Actually I'm just glad it's someone aside from me spreading doom and gloom about a GW release for a change.  What's the saying? "The lower your expectations, the less you'll be disappointed"? |
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 26, 2015 15:41:41 GMT -5
Just think about that Taurox model and the space wolf flying dog head box and think *it can't get any worse than that.. please no...* (they deliberately made them bad to make the 'raven look good in comparison - if you're a bit drunk-)
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....that would make sense. *gets executed by the Modissair for infecting company moral*