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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 12, 2017 7:52:01 GMT -5
Kell's dead, Creed's missing, apparently
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 12, 2017 14:53:34 GMT -5
Kell's dead, Creed's missing, apparently TACTICAL GENIUS FROM YOUR SPIRITUAL LIEGE!!!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 13, 2017 19:56:36 GMT -5
Welp, I've got the book. Black Libary's time lock on their ebooks are rubbish.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 11:07:59 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot.
I need to double check this, but I think the big All Imperial formations list the Inquisition codex as one place you can draw units from.
That means Servo Skulls are back, baby.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 16, 2017 13:29:02 GMT -5
Just got my sweaty little rat claws on a copy of the book. So far I've read part of page 4, and what Celestine is experiencing reads very, very much like what I recall hearing about what Sigmar experienced after the Warhammer world was destroyed prior to AoS...
<.< >.>
Ao40K (or 30K) inbound?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 13:43:28 GMT -5
Just got my sweaty little rat claws on a copy of the book. So far I've read part of page 4, and what Celestine is experiencing reads very, very much like what I recall hearing about what Sigmar experienced after the Warhammer world was destroyed prior to AoS... <.< >.> Ao40K (or 30K) inbound? Age of Celestine? I can dig it.
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Post by nutty on Jan 16, 2017 14:03:08 GMT -5
One of the leaked images lists both 'codex: Inquisition' & 'imperial agents' as sources from where units can be drawn.
I'll probably try a castellan allied detachment: some scions to deepstrike (and hopefully recycle) led by an Inquisitor with some servo skulls... does not sound like a bad deal at all. For platoons/veterans I'd rather have obsec or the benefits from the cadian battlegroup though.
Once I've built some templars I might go and try to use it as a main detachment. A crusader squad would actually benefit from hatred, and if they are riding in a landraider that 1/3 chance is going to be a tense roll.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 14:18:56 GMT -5
I'm sorely tempted to add some bits and pieces to my collection just to be able to field some cool "All in" version of that formation (which I guess was GW's goal), mixing some space marines from different chapters, Cadians, etc.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 16, 2017 15:32:08 GMT -5
Are any of the new formations for small games or is it all Apoc or 3k minimum?
The Archmagos sounds interesting but if I read BoLS right it said that you need to plug him into an existing CM formation. This might work if I take a 2nd Robot Maniple, which is around 300 points, and Cawl will take my army to 2500 points once I've assembled the final 3 dragoons/ ironstriders. But will Cawl be the warlord or the other Tech-priest Dominus(a CAD choice) ?
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Post by nutty on Jan 16, 2017 15:42:34 GMT -5
The Castelan detachment/FoC does offer some interesting options on building armies. This means we are going to see some really cool projects floating around the interweb. It is also just a matter of time untill someone concieves and posts a list that is so packed with gamebreaking combinations that you'll want to take a shower after reading it.. which will then be copy/pasted by cheesemongers around the globe.. which in turn might just break the game and have everyone begging for Age of Calgar (or whatever the new edition will be called) by summer. And to think they are going to do something similar for the Eldar... But enough of my doomsday thinking... everything will probably be fine.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 16:15:10 GMT -5
I think most of the formation are high points level, or work best with them. The Castellan detachment Nutty and I are referring to needs 4 troops and 2 HQs minimum I think, which can be done without too much lost in terms of points.
I'll double check when I get off work.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 16, 2017 16:35:30 GMT -5
Ok, that's still a high tax for guard unless I get veteran squads for the next two. Our troops choices are just vast catalogues of useful units.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 17:53:27 GMT -5
Ok, that's still a high tax for guard unless I get veteran squads for the next two. Our troops choices are just vast catalogues of useful units. Why not just take four vet squads to start with, or three and a platoon? Okay, so the Grand Convocation is the same FOC as the Castellans. HQs are 2-4, Troops are 4+, Lords of War are 0-3, everything else is 0-6. These choices can be drawn from either the Machine Cult or Skitters codecies, or from Imperial Knights. The Castellans have the same FOC and can be drawn from IG, Marines (only original flavor and Angels of Death), Assassins, Knights, Imperial Agents, Inquisition, Scions, Sororitas, Death from the skies (ugh) and, weirdly, the Mont'ka book. Each specific slot has a biiiiig long list of what can be taken in there. The only named HQs are Celestine, Greyfax, the BT characters, and the Inquisition characters.
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Post by nutty on Jan 16, 2017 18:04:45 GMT -5
Mont'ka has the most recent rules for the baneblade variants you can build out of the GW box, so that's probably why it is in the mix.
If you don't mind I have a couple if questions on the book:
Does it say anything about allied detachments? Does it half the required units like it does for the regulad CAD? 1 hq and a two troops for example.
How does the recycling of troops work in relation to their dedicated transports? Do they count as individual units, or as a single combined choice? e.g. if my opponent blows up a chimera on turn 1 and the vets inside on turn 2. Do I roll them seperately after they are destroyed? Or do I wait untill turn 2 and roll a single die for 'the vetetans & chimera'?
This could very well lead to a steel rain list that keeps on raining which is kind of amusing ☺
-Edit- Also: melta vets in FA drop pods.. that is going to be nasty.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 16, 2017 19:21:19 GMT -5
- No dice on the allied detachments. The only one it references is the one in the main rulebook. Think of them as Mini-CAD (allied detachment) Regular CAD (the normal one in the big rule book) and Super CAD (The castellans).
- The exact wording is "Each time a Troops unit from this detachment is completely destroyed, roll a d6. On a 5+, you can immediately place a new unit into Ongoing Reserves that is identical, in terms of the original number of models, weapons, and upgrades to the destroyed unit." I think it could go either way on dedicated transports, but if you regenerate those, then I'd also say you have to have both the unit AND the dedicated transport destroyed to regenerate the whole unit. My inclination is to say the dedicated transports are part and parcel with the troops.
Also? You can regenerate them endlessly. It's not a "One and Done" deal like Celestine's resurrection.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 17, 2017 15:54:06 GMT -5
I got the book; I can use my storm trooper squads taken from the MT codex, without having to take the scion command and that takes me to 4 troops already with the two platoons. Then I need to replace an infantry squad with an enginseer and some servitors for the 2nd HQ and I can have Recycled units on a 5+.
TBH I just want to have a normal CAD game before I pull out these game changing combos.
Cawl will be very useful for both my guard and mechanicus, so happy times.
Just went on a book splurge, the warhammer store in Tottenham Court road is open till 22:00 weekdays, so I got Fall of Cadia, Imperial Agents and Planetary Onslaught all in one go. So I'm trying to read 3 books at once, wishing I had 6 arms.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 17, 2017 16:07:37 GMT -5
So I'm trying to read 3 books at once, wishing I had 6 arms. And four more eyes too? I bet mechandendrites seem like a good option right now.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 17, 2017 16:38:28 GMT -5
Not to mention more legs so I can have a skateboarding accident while acting as a mobile library
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 17, 2017 17:47:39 GMT -5
So, yeah, finished reading through all the fluff of the book yesterday. Creed is now part of DAT INFINITE TRAY-TRAYZZZZN's "Collection o' Neat Stasis Things."
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 18, 2017 16:15:09 GMT -5
Trazyn the Infinite is the worst hoarder in the galaxy. What are the chances he has some Rogue Trader-era plastic Imperial army boxes in mint condition, from the late 80s?
CREEEED! So much stuff happening to our fave Lord Castellan. This is all the Munitorum's fault for not shipping enough guard to the front lines and creating more orbital plaforms packed with yet more reserve guard.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 18, 2017 18:22:36 GMT -5
Trazyn the Infinite is the worst hoarder in the galaxy. What are the chances he has some Rogue Trader-era plastic Imperial army boxes in mint condition, from the late 80s? CREEEED! So much stuff happening to our fave Lord Castellan. This is all the Munitorum's fault for not shipping enough guard to the front lines and creating more orbital plaforms packed with yet more reserve guard. Heh. Actually it's all Kell's fault for getting in Abby-dabby-don's way, and getting his neck snapped, which allowed Creed to escape certain death only to then get put into a storage box by Tray-Tray.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 18, 2017 22:25:19 GMT -5
Trazyn the Infinite is the worst hoarder in the galaxy. What are the chances he has some Rogue Trader-era plastic Imperial army boxes in mint condition, from the late 80s? CREEEED! So much stuff happening to our fave Lord Castellan. This is all the Munitorum's fault for not shipping enough guard to the front lines and creating more orbital plaforms packed with yet more reserve guard. ...Abby-dabby-don... Tray-Tray. That sounds like a teen girl talking about her friends and boys she likes.
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Post by emptyhat on Jan 19, 2017 2:49:06 GMT -5
So does this mean that the next time Creed uses Tactical Genius it will be with the contents of Trayzn's collections?
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 19, 2017 5:44:43 GMT -5
...Abby-dabby-don... Tray-Tray. That sounds like a teen girl talking about her friends and boys she likes. And, the ultimate secret of the Necrons has been revealed... Trazyn was a teen girl before undergoing biotransference.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 19, 2017 15:50:29 GMT -5
If you're an Imperial Fist player or a fan of dangerous space stations orbiting Holy Terra, then I suppose you'll be dying to find out what happened to the Phalanx.
Personally I can't believe it. That ....is ..just... GRRRRR!
Use the anger!
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