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Post by F.K.M on Mar 24, 2012 22:49:58 GMT -5
@orren: Yeah i know. It's like how everybody says titans go down in melee pretty hard but then they say no person in their right mind would leave a titan without an army surrounding it. It's kind of like theory-hammer what i was doing. In unit vs unit confrontations that is what you would use. But hey at least i feel like i handled it better than 'deadliest warrior' and no i will never let you off the hook for liking that show. At least i admit i'm an amateur and my reasoning in it is flawed. Actual battles and experience are totally different.
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Post by Rook on Mar 24, 2012 22:55:43 GMT -5
At least i admit i'm an amateur and my reasoning in it is flawed. Actual battles and experience are totally different. News flash; few people on this board have 'actual battle experience', or if they have they are keeping it a secret. Most of the discussions about war on here are conjecture.
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Post by Kommissar Orren on Mar 24, 2012 23:19:49 GMT -5
Deadliest warrior isn't that bad. I like the show for the weapons tests, and getting to know a little bit about the different warriors showcased anyways. I think their system for resolving conflicts is bollocks, and that their 'experts' are all biased. But as it goes, they are much more qualified, and most likely better, at handling match-ups than you.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 25, 2012 0:18:41 GMT -5
WW1 had some serious game balance issues. Machine guns were way OP.
2nd edition was a lot more interesting.
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Post by Fire For Effect on Mar 25, 2012 1:41:01 GMT -5
Today I had the sudden realization I get to go on spring break in two weeks. I've never been so happy. On a side note, ambien knocks me right the hell out...
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Mar 25, 2012 1:49:11 GMT -5
Well, then knock it out right back.
Edit: Wait...
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Post by F.K.M on Mar 25, 2012 4:14:01 GMT -5
Today I had the sudden realization I get to go on spring break in two weeks. I've never been so happy. On a side note, ambien knocks me right the hell out... Req will be pleased to know about the ambien. I'm sure he's taking notes as we speak. Also you always inspire perversion. Good job! Hehe spring break with FFE. Must not joke about this considering her age but it's hard not to. Sorry if i offend you guys mentioning this it's just too funny. @orren: Yeah but i'm just some guy that is very much an amateur at this while they have an actual show and their system is still very flawed. They have a ways to go before their show gets respectable. At least they started with x-factors but even then it's just ridiculous. Really it's no more mature than fanboys talking about a predator vs alien fights or jedi vs space marines. Speaking of space marines i had an odd dream that a space marine themed porn star came into our classroom and i think i offended her enough to make her leave or she was into guys like that. I should've made a lot more space marine and warhammer 40k jokes based on her costume. Also i've been having dreams about my dead mother recently. God this sucks. Some of the dreams are about her dying or after being dead she comes back to life only to die again or similar. Doesn't really help that she is dead in real life. I wish not to have these dreams but i have them anyway.
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Post by Peter Cooman on Mar 25, 2012 4:40:54 GMT -5
@ Rook: Don't claim we are an un- interested lot I would watch it if i find it. It could be that i watched it already, because I watch mostly all that ww1 & 2 stuff that i come across on the tube. It's all just too interresting. But it's true, everything that happens has more than 1 reason for it to happen. Like the tank was just a stockpile of idea's from across the nations at the time. The point i was getting too is that churchill was just the man that put the idea to good use. Every invention is based on knowledge of others, it's just the man that finalizes the idea that gets the credit
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Post by F.K.M on Mar 25, 2012 5:36:15 GMT -5
@peter: I always hear that multiple people were trying to invent the light bulb but edison bought out the idea. Supposedly he was a terrible person and maybe not that good an inventor but i suppose it depends on who you ask. There are some pretty out there ideas though that some people seemingly came up with on their own i'm sure (like maybe nikolai tesla who was a combination of a magician, ymmot and da vinci it seems). Planes and nukes were thought up by many different groups.
Speaking about world wars and germany they seem to lose them consistently. Doesn't help they aren't isolated like the U.S., UK, china, japan and others or expansive like russia. Germany is smack dab in the middle of europe and i don't know if they have many natural defenses. Other than that they made too many and too powerful enemies in WWII in my eyes. Had they never attacked russia they would've done a hell of a lot better. Supposedly stalin felt close to hitler. I know there was a bit of a comparison of each on the history channel or something.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 25, 2012 6:38:12 GMT -5
Never been one to be afraid to admit when I'm wrong I will say this: An invention relies on many earlier inventions. It has too. James Burke's series Connections is about exactly that. Tracked vehicles existed years before WW1. So by that statement I am wrong. Churchill may have thought the use of an armored track vehicle would help the cause during the war doesn't mean directly that it was invented FOR the war. So by that statement you guys are wrong. Believe what you will. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of record. Caterpillar tractors existed pre-war, and were used prior to the deployment of the tank as general utility vehicles. Likewise, armoured cars existed before the war, and were used as reconnissance supplements to cavalry. However, the tank was not invented to play the role cavalry traditionally took (recon, screening, harassment and pursuit), but as a fortification-buster, a synergy of a large engine, heavy armour plating and two six-pounder guns (and a crapton of machine guns) designed to roll over, suppress and destroy German positions to allow the infantry to break into the trench line.
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Post by Walrus on Mar 25, 2012 7:16:05 GMT -5
And then WWII era Germany was like "Remember these?!" and blitzkreig'd their way across Europe without batting an eyelid.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 25, 2012 7:21:26 GMT -5
Until they ran into the BEF at Arras and were suddenly like "Gott in Himmel out guns our useless against the Englander tanks!". Ironically, that traumatic experience facing up against the Matilda II was part of the reason they began designing the prohibitively complex, expensive heavy V and VI series Panzers (well, the V was excellent but the VI was a terrible design).
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Post by Walrus on Mar 25, 2012 7:32:11 GMT -5
And this is where I back out. We don't have the chance to study either of the World Wars except Gallipoli and the mining of hill 60 for WWI, and barely anything for WWII in Australia.
Unless we research for ourselves.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 25, 2012 8:07:23 GMT -5
Speaking of: Right now I am in need of plastic Space Marine Multi-Melta, Lightning Claw and Heavy Bolter arms sets (standard marine) for my Truescale Space Marine project.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 25, 2012 9:13:04 GMT -5
Today I had the sudden realization I get to go on spring break in two weeks. I've never been so happy. On a side note, ambien knocks me right the hell out... Req will be pleased to know about the ambien. No, because there's a study that suggests that if you take Ambien frequently, you shorten your lifespan by ~5 years. Oh, and you want to know what these eggheads considered frequent? Eighteen times a year. Just 18 times a year! What the balls would they consider the number of something that actually happened often? And what does that mean for people who have to take it every night? Shortening lifespan by 120 years? You know what? I call shenanigans.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 25, 2012 9:13:39 GMT -5
Are you mentioning that because you need to trade? I might have those bits lying around.
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Post by Rook on Mar 25, 2012 11:08:09 GMT -5
Every invention is based on knowledge of others, it's just the man that finalizes the idea that gets the credit It is wise to examine everything that gets credited to someone famous. Often times they didn't do it. @rt: You agree with me in part then. You wrote that tracked vehicles and armored cars already existed; doesn't take a whole lot of ingenuity to put the two together now does it? Also to cite the Wiki article ; In July 1914, Lt. Col. Ernest Swinton, a British Royal Engineers officer and the official war correspondent, learned about Holt tractors and their transportation capabilities in rough terrain from a South-African friend who had seen one in Antwerp, but the information was just passed on and not acted upon.[23]:12[24]:590 Swinton was sent to France as an army war correspondent and saw in mid-September 1914 the potential of the track-laying tractor and the need to have a cross-country armed vehicle.[23]:116[23]:12 By his own admission, "By a coincidence, Colonel Estienne had been seized around the same time as myself with the idea that some kind of machine of the nature of the tank was necessary to help the infantry".[23]:210 In October 1914, Swinton proposed in a letter to Sir Maurice Hankey, Secretary of the Committee of Imperial Defence, that the British Committee of Imperial Defence build a power-driven, bullet-proof, tracked vehicle that could destroy enemy guns.[23][25]:129 Hankey persuaded the lukewarm War Office to make a trial on 17 February 1915 with a Holt tractor, but the caterpillar bogged down in the mud, the project was abandoned, and the War Office gave up investigations. Now perhaps in Swinton's book Eyewitness there are passages of him driving the French country side and seeing the lack of horses and necessity for a tracked vehicle to haul water in water tanks? Perhaps...perhaps not. I don't care enough to buy the book to find out though to me it is plausible.
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Post by Rook on Mar 25, 2012 11:09:06 GMT -5
WW1 had some serious game balance issues. Machine guns were way OP. 2nd edition was a lot more interesting. HAHAHAAH
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 25, 2012 11:18:48 GMT -5
Today, playing Fallout New Vegas while listening to the theme song from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
Reds
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Post by Rook on Mar 25, 2012 11:27:54 GMT -5
Today, playing Fallout New Vegas while listening to the theme song from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Reds Metallica used to start every concert with that theme. They didn't play it mind you it was over the intercom at the venue. The Ecstasy of Gold, pure awesome!
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Post by Kommissar Orren on Mar 25, 2012 12:28:06 GMT -5
Damn straight it is!
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Post by F.K.M on Mar 25, 2012 13:39:21 GMT -5
WW1 had some serious game balance issues. Machine guns were way OP. 2nd edition was a lot more interesting. Yeah i gotta admit that was pretty clever.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 25, 2012 14:54:59 GMT -5
Today I had the sudden realization I get to go on spring break in two weeks. I've never been so happy. On a side note, ambien knocks me right the hell out... I just hope that you don't have any adverse events with it, like I did, or become resistant to it... Like I also did. Getting up in the middle of the night and doing stuff and not remembering it can be majorly un-fun. Fortunately I didn't do anything that would have put myself or others in danger while on Ambien (unlike the Kennedy family member who went "sleep driving" in D.C. several years back and crashed his car), but the potential is there... Personally, I think that Ambien is dangerous as hell.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Mar 25, 2012 15:17:07 GMT -5
Today, playing Fallout New Vegas while listening to the theme song from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Reds Metallica used to start every concert with that theme. They didn't play it mind you it was over the intercom at the venue. The Ecstasy of Gold, pure awesome! I'm a big fan of the music in all those movies! www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYwHku4p24&feature=relatedI like this one almost as much as Ecstasy of Gold.
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Post by kirsten on Mar 25, 2012 18:22:06 GMT -5
today was my first day of holiday, week off work, hurray. I finished building my fortress of redemption, and have been painting a storm raven. The Army Painter platemail spray paint is amazing stuff.
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