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Post by Paimon on Dec 7, 2014 0:12:11 GMT -5
So I had a big long thought out response to things, but then my browser crashed, and I lost it. Suffice to say that acknowledging differences based on environmental adaptation is not the same as racism. Unconscious biases are manifold, and should be studied in order to counteract them, propensity towards xenophobia is one of those biases, bystander effect is another. The whole cop/citizen problem is the Stanford Prison Experiment writ large over our whole society, and combined with the inherent racism that most people are unknowingly raised with, leads to the problems that we see today.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 7, 2014 3:28:33 GMT -5
Yes but now where am I to buy cigarettes from?
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Post by Bryant on Dec 7, 2014 5:18:48 GMT -5
Yes but now where am I to buy cigarettes from? I would say me, but I don't want to fall victim to a uniformed guy trying to act out his choking fetish.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 7, 2014 8:14:46 GMT -5
Yes but now where am I to buy cigarettes from? I would say me, but I don't want to fall victim to a uniformed guy trying to act out his choking fetish. I'm afraid you're insufficiently black to fulfill my antebellum south choking fetish.
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Post by jenburdoo on Dec 9, 2014 23:34:47 GMT -5
Just rediscovered one of my favorite comics from childhood, Ernie AKA The Piranha Club. It's as raunchy as you can get in a newspaper comic, offbeat, a bit Pythonesque, and several years of it are available for free via the author's website. This is a good thing since, oddly, there are no yearly compilations available (except in Scandinavia, where it's apparently wildly popular).
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 12, 2014 14:57:02 GMT -5
If there's supposed to be a day of silence on the IGMB, no one told me.
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Post by Adkenpachi on Dec 12, 2014 18:48:47 GMT -5
Passed my guard course
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 12, 2014 19:25:28 GMT -5
Does that mean you can wear AP 4 now?
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 12, 2014 19:37:46 GMT -5
HOREE FECK... I've been so busy with subbing and fighting off illness that I haven't been on the board in almost two weeks... I've got to say that the new Blood Angels minis have me salivating to the point that I may be permanently retiring most my current BA army to display purposes only, aside from Tycho, Dante, Corbs, Mephy, and a couple of the classic metal BA sergeants, Dreadnoughts, and the original Death Company boxset Chaplain, and starting the rest of my forces all over with the new plastics. I may also be stripping all of my BA vehicles and starting over from the ground up on painting them using the new paints now that doing red is so much easier...
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 12, 2014 19:55:14 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, trooper, what part of the initially peaceful protests mandated the near military response that showed up almost right away? You said it's "unfortunate, but it's the world we live in now", but as far as I can tell, there's no reason it needs to be, aside from police getting handed all sorts of ex-military equipment under misguided anti-terrorist funding programs. Also, what's your thought body cameras for police? I fully support the idea of body cameras for police as they should help immensely in clarifying what actually happened when a "bad apple" police officer (and I don't deny that there are some out there) crosses the line versus a case of an honest police officer doing their duty and being accused of something out of no more than butthurt/spite. I think the incident in NYC with the guy who the police tried to pinch for illegally selling cigarettes, where footage of the officer applying an illegal choke hold to the suspect is the kind of damning thing that body cameras could catch. And although I think the whole "I can't breath" thing is over-hyped (if the suspect truly couldn't breath he wouldn't have been able to speak!) I still think that the grand jury in the NYC case got it wrong, and that officer should have been indicted. The militarization of police is happening, in large, due to all the anti-terrorism stuff that is now going on. Some of the things I learned about in the intel analyst course that I took over the summer about what law enforcement officers are now facing from terrorists, both home-grown domestic types (for example look up the "Sovereign Citizen" movement) as well as foreign (in particular AQ-inspired groups trying to hook up with the Mexican narco-cartels to smuggle people into America to act as sleeper cells) is pretty damn scary, and unfortunately I'm really not allowed to talk about it. Then throw in random drug crime, school shooters, rioting, along with the rest, and it's pretty sadly the case that the police are having to adapt to para-military techniques. It's a sad world we live in today.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 12, 2014 20:01:04 GMT -5
HOREE FECK... I've been so busy with subbing and fighting off illness that I haven't been on the board in almost two weeks... I was actually kinda concerned until I saw you were still alive on FB.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 12, 2014 21:42:14 GMT -5
I just referenced you Hetlan.
Thinking of you!
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Post by Paimon on Dec 13, 2014 0:49:45 GMT -5
I've now got three death cult assassins painted, and none of the are GW models.
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Post by Adkenpachi on Dec 13, 2014 5:02:05 GMT -5
Does that mean you can wear AP 4 now? LOL, sadly I'm the lowest form of government guarding... ap1. Cause the MDP do training in the same place I saw a friend of mine from school/college doing his training too... They get kevlar, ballistic helmets and assault rifles as every day uniform... We get gortex jackets and mag lights
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 13, 2014 8:21:05 GMT -5
You mean AP6? I thought that was a metal bikini. I expect you to rock that ceremite thong like no one's business!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 13, 2014 12:33:10 GMT -5
HOREE FECK... I've been so busy with subbing and fighting off illness that I haven't been on the board in almost two weeks... I was actually kinda concerned until I saw you were still alive on FB. Yeah, I essentially was working almost full-time during the run up to Thanksgiving and beyond (as lots of teachers were taking time off and were basically fighting over requesting me to sub for them, which is always a great thing), followed by jury duty last week, and then this past weekend and for part of the week I was fighting off something (having been spending most of my time in an environment that is largely a Petri dish, kids are dirty and filthy and coated with germs, although I may have possibly also gotten sick from one of the other members of the juror pool who was coughing up chunks of lung and was seated next to me).
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 13, 2014 12:45:16 GMT -5
"Your honor, I would like to declare my fellow juror guilty."
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 13, 2014 13:29:56 GMT -5
I've never actually be summoned for jury duty. Part of me suspects it's because they know I'd be the worst juror ever.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 13, 2014 14:01:15 GMT -5
No, that would only encourage them. Don't let anyone know that.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 13, 2014 15:03:44 GMT -5
You dramatically underestimate my ability to do a job badly (or weirdly) enough that I won't be asked to do it again.
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Post by Paimon on Dec 13, 2014 15:16:12 GMT -5
Neil deGrasse Tyson has a couple of good jury duty quotes:
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Post by treadiculous on Dec 13, 2014 15:37:29 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, trooper, what part of the initially peaceful protests mandated the near military response that showed up almost right away? You said it's "unfortunate, but it's the world we live in now", but as far as I can tell, there's no reason it needs to be, aside from police getting handed all sorts of ex-military equipment under misguided anti-terrorist funding programs. Also, what's your thought body cameras for police? I fully support the idea of body cameras for police as they should help immensely in clarifying what actually happened when a "bad apple" police officer (and I don't deny that there are some out there) crosses the line versus a case of an honest police officer doing their duty and being accused of something out of no more than butthurt/spite. I think the incident in NYC with the guy who the police tried to pinch for illegally selling cigarettes, where footage of the officer applying an illegal choke hold to the suspect is the kind of damning thing that body cameras could catch. And although I think the whole "I can't breath" thing is over-hyped (if the suspect truly couldn't breath he wouldn't have been able to speak!) I still think that the grand jury in the NYC case got it wrong, and that officer should have been indicted. The militarization of police is happening, in large, due to all the anti-terrorism stuff that is now going on. Some of the things I learned about in the intel analyst course that I took over the summer about what law enforcement officers are now facing from terrorists, both home-grown domestic types (for example look up the "Sovereign Citizen" movement) as well as foreign (in particular AQ-inspired groups trying to hook up with the Mexican narco-cartels to smuggle people into America to act as sleeper cells) is pretty damn scary, and unfortunately I'm really not allowed to talk about it. Then throw in random drug crime, school shooters, rioting, along with the rest, and it's pretty sadly the case that the police are having to adapt to para-military techniques. It's a sad world we live in today. - I've stayed away from most of this discussion because i have strong feelings about this kind of stuff (and you all seem to be in reasonable agreement with my point of view which means I don't have to add pages of my own opinion). however, Trooper stated: "... I think the whole "I can't breath" thing is over-hyped (if the suspect truly couldn't breath he wouldn't have been able to speak!)". This isn't correct though I think it is understandable to have this concept in mind; simply put - Talking uses lungs, therefore lungs work. If you have time I would like you to read this: thenewobserver.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/gareth_myatt.pdf(the short version is that you can speak whilst being unable to breathe). as for the rest of the discussion/// In Britain, a country re-known for its surveillance, the video tape of protests is almost impossible to get, cctv footage is very difficult to access and even when there is footage the police often remove their identity numbers so you cannot pick out individuals. The police can 'kettle' crowds and will only let them out once it has been shown that they have no camera or photo's stored on their person or their personal belongings. Give the police body camera's and they'll just turn them off when they want to do something 'off the record'. I've met and worked with some nice police who want to bring about positive change and a healthy society, and I've also known some brutal racist, sexist, facist scum. at the end of the day when people make a lot of money out of selling fear, and selling protection from fear, there are going to be bad consequnces. especially when those people making money are governed by shareholders and don't feel empowered to change the actions of the company and also have a lot of pressure to make more profits for the shareholders despite the ethical ramifications. we also have leaderships that routinely are proven to lie, be corrupt, to have involvement in illegal activities, and are making vast amounts of money out of the decisions, laws and legislation they promote... how do they expect the rest of society to perform? (unfortunately they have the theory that with enough scare-mongering propaganda they will create fearful citizens who do not speak out.. and it seems to work a lot of the time). (it sucks that they back up the propaganda with actual fear-inducing acts of terror and happily blow the feth out any country that isn't making them enough money already). anyways.. i have ranted enough. this is my opinion. i may be (and probably am) wrong. i am open to criticism and welcome it.
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Post by jenburdoo on Dec 13, 2014 17:57:00 GMT -5
I was a juror a few months ago. It wasn't easy -- I learned more about how autopsies work than I ever wanted to know.
Am currently reading the Honorverse novel Cauldron of Ghosts, in which the bad guys are committing acts of terrorism on their own people and assigning them to the "good guys" (who, granted, are indeed terrorists, but were pretty much wiped out after the last act of terrorism). They're not doing this so much to stir up support but to hide evacuations of important members of their government in the "lost, presumed dead" lines of the casualty reports. Makes one think.
There was a protest blocking I-95 last night, so I didn't go to a movie down there. Went today instead. (The Tale of Princess Kaguya, pretty good.) Did I not go to avoid inconvenience, because I don't want to think about these issues, or some other reason? I'm not sure. It's a bit jumbled in my head. I am recognizing more and more my luck at being born the person I was and growing more and more concerned about how I'm nonetheless still significantly different from those in power.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 13, 2014 18:44:04 GMT -5
I managed to get dismissed from the juror pool, as the crime that the defendant was accused of having committed was one that I have twice been a victim of, and have spent about 3/4 of my life trying to heal the wounds from. During voir dire when the judge asked if anyone had any bias that could disqualify them, I approached the bench and informed him thusly, and then had to sit with two other juror pool members (who were dismissed for similar reasons) at the back of the courtroom for nearly two more hours while the rest of the selection process proceeded. We all broke down in tears several times, and I came very close to puking (the judge eyeballed me when I pulled out a Ziplock baggie I had in my briefcase and sat hyperventilating into it for several minutes), and the scars were ripped wide open. So many jurors from my initial pool were struck that they wound up not having the required number of jurors to sit on the trial, and they had to bring in the backup members of the pool (at which point those of us struck were finally allowed to leave the courtroom) in order to get enough jurors to sit and allow the trial to proceed.
On the body camera issue: I saw a story recently that a certain police officer, who sounds dirty as hell, conveniently had his camera "malfunction" three times during incidents where he apparently used excessive force. Obviously, with wide scale deployment of such technology, lawmakers are going to have to step in and make laws that forbid officers from turning off their cameras whilst on duty, and also to investigate cases of camera "malfunctions."
Sadly I can't find the relevant video from "Aliens" for this, so I'll put a quote in instead:
"Gorman: Drake, check your camera. There seems to be a malfunction."
[Drake smacks the camera against a nearby support. The picture clears]
"Gorman: That's better."
Oh, and very interesting article about positional asphyxia. I'd not heard of it before, and further research shows that people who have high BMI and large waists (the victim in NYC was a pretty huge guy) are more at risk of suffering from it, and being in a face down position (which the victim was) also adds risk to it occurring. I think the coroner's report stated that his obesity and cardiovascular issues contributed to his death, so I stand corrected. I definitely think that police officer (or former police officer as I believe he was kicked off of the force) should have been charged in that case. "You learn something new each day." Thanks, tread!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 13, 2014 18:51:27 GMT -5
In other news, I was involved in a minor car accident today at the mall. The guy controlling traffic flow motioned for me to proceed, then stepped out in front of me, forcing me to cut my steering wheel to avoid hitting him, and I grazed the bumper of an SUV that was parked at the end of the row I was turning around. Fortunately it did no major damage, and in a mind-blowing turn of events, it turns out that the car I hit belongs to an old classmate of mine from high school! She just messaged me to let me know she got my insurance information and to not worry about it, since the damage was so minor. Also: 1800!!!
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