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Post by Rook on Oct 2, 2010 20:36:08 GMT -5
I noticed that stormies can take a chimera. Does the chimera get deep strike ability if linked up with stormies? It would seem rather stupid that it didn't but I figured I would ask first before using.
And if you could point me to the rule(page) either confirming or denying that would be awesome.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Oct 3, 2010 16:04:36 GMT -5
I'd say that the trasport also has to have the deep strike special rule if you want it to deep strike.
No luck finding a page number...
I know they can outflank in their chimera's though.(p.94)
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 3, 2010 19:33:47 GMT -5
Rook,
This is the most awesome idea in the history of mankind.
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Post by Rook on Oct 3, 2010 19:46:32 GMT -5
Rook, This is the most awesome idea in the history of mankind. Ummmm, thanks I think. Jesus(Raptor riding Christ) you scare me when you type a sentence like that... What are you up too?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 3, 2010 20:07:34 GMT -5
Rook, This is the most awesome idea in the history of mankind. Seconded. Oh God, seconded. Okay, I have read the rules for Deepstrike, and there is nothing at all that says they can't do this. Also, looking at the infiltrate rule, any unit with this rule that buys a dedicated transport can apply that rule to the transport. Thus, we have precedent to assume you're right.... This...this may change my opinions on taking Stormies. Reds
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Post by Rook on Oct 3, 2010 21:03:10 GMT -5
Rook, This is the most awesome idea in the history of mankind. Seconded. Oh God, seconded. Okay, I have read the rules for Deepstrike, and there is nothing at all that says they can't do this. Also, looking at the infiltrate rule, any unit with this rule that buys a dedicated transport can apply that rule to the transport. Thus, we have precedent to assume you're right.... This...this may change my opinions on taking Stormies. Reds Page 75 reads they CAN'T infiltrate with said transport. Where are you getting your info?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 3, 2010 21:17:38 GMT -5
Whoop, sorry. I meant Scouts.
Still, that means it does specify when you can't do it, and it doesn't say you can't for the Chimera....
Reds
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Post by Trickstick on Oct 3, 2010 21:38:57 GMT -5
I think this comes down to the whole "permissive ruleset" agument. Nowhere does it say that a dedicated transport gains the abilities of its occupants. The only exceptions are in the case of "Outflank" at the bottom of page 94 and also a dedicated transport can gain scouts from its occupants, as detailed on page 76. Note that it doesn't get infiltrate if it has an infiltrating squad inside, it just allows it to outflank.
Plus, from a fluff perspective, how would you deepstrike a chimera? I must say that the thought of a chimera-sized grave chute is appealing, if a little weird.
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Post by Rook on Oct 3, 2010 21:52:45 GMT -5
I'm sending a message to customer service at GW.
Will post the response here.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 3, 2010 21:56:30 GMT -5
Plus, from a fluff perspective, how would you deepstrike a chimera? I must say that the thought of a chimera-sized grave chute is appealing, if a little weird. The same way you can try and justify Deepstriking an idiot Land Raider. You push it out of a passing plane. Trickstick has a good point. Where's Westrider? He knows all of these things. Reds
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Post by Trickstick on Oct 3, 2010 22:11:08 GMT -5
The same way you can try and justify Deepstriking an idiot Land Raider. You push it out of a passing plane. Trickstick has a good point. Where's Westrider? He knows all of these things. Reds Land Raiders come in via thunderhawk transporters though, they can carry one landraider or two rhino chasis. Nearest thing we have are the massive drop ships on the codex cover. Wish we could get a marauder transporter or something, say it could transport any chimera frame vehicle.
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Post by Dedrier on Oct 4, 2010 0:18:05 GMT -5
If we can do it in real life, they can do it in 40k. I now have a reason to collect stormies, not just cause they have cool minis!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 4, 2010 8:57:19 GMT -5
There is a Valk modded to hold an Elysian buggy. I'm sure that it wold be easy enough to mod it to hold Chimera.
Reds
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Post by Trickstick on Oct 4, 2010 9:15:16 GMT -5
That thing does seem nice but it would need a whole lot of extra thrust to lift a chimera. Maybe a couple of pivoting engine pods on the wing tips. A Chimera is a lot heavier than a Tauros.
I must say if someone tried to use deepstriking chimera outside of a fun game with friends i would give them a weird look and think that they were joking. May as well say that the chimera gets pinning too if the stormtroopers have that mission, or how about feel no pain if it has a medic inside?
May write up a special mission about a deepstriking chimera plattoon behind enemy lines, sounds like fun.
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Post by Dedrier on Oct 4, 2010 10:28:35 GMT -5
Does this mean we can deepstrike a Valk as well?
Nevermind, its already in the rules. XD
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Post by fatuous on Oct 4, 2010 11:36:28 GMT -5
Heehee, is a great idea, but alas no. Only smurfs get that kind of craziness
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Post by Rook on Oct 4, 2010 18:31:07 GMT -5
UPDATE
Here is the customer service response via email;
"Greetings!
I am not quite sure that I could explain this in an e-mail without it getting lengthy and confusing, so here's the remedy: if you can call us at 1-800-394-4263, we can get to the bottom of this quite quickly and effectively for you before we even hang up the phone!
Thanks!
Andrew Hall
Customer Service Specialist"
I have yet to call.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 4, 2010 18:45:11 GMT -5
At least he was honest.
Reds
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Post by Laughing Man on Oct 4, 2010 18:51:30 GMT -5
GW Staff member's brain reading the email: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH QUICK GET A FORM RESPONSE AND PASS THE BUCK.
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Post by Machine Gun Kelly on Oct 6, 2010 11:13:30 GMT -5
UPDATEHere is the customer service response via email; "Greetings! I am not quite sure that I could explain this in an e-mail without it getting lengthy and confusing, so here's the remedy: if you can call us at 1-800-394-4263, we can get to the bottom of this quite quickly and effectively for you before we even hang up the phone! Thanks! Andrew Hall Customer Service Specialist" I have yet to call. How hard can it be to type either Yes or No.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Oct 6, 2010 14:44:22 GMT -5
They're not trained to answer questions...
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Post by Happyorange on Oct 7, 2010 11:32:08 GMT -5
UPDATEHere is the customer service response via email; "Greetings! I don't know the answer and can't be bothered to find out, so please ask someone else. Thanks! Andrew Hall Customer Service Specialist" Fixed.
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Post by gasmask on Oct 9, 2010 18:54:50 GMT -5
Happyorange = Captin Subtext!!
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Post by marbo on Oct 13, 2010 10:27:59 GMT -5
dose any one know if you actuly can do this or not?
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Oct 13, 2010 10:32:16 GMT -5
Discuss it with your opponent it you want to try it out.
Personally, I would not attempt it unless I saw it in writing...
The book says you can outflank with a unit in a trasport. The book says you can not infiltrate a unit that is inside a trasport.
Nothing about Deep Striking.
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