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Post by RedsandRoyals on Nov 22, 2010 16:29:05 GMT -5
My big problem with it is that it still needs... something on the back instead of just a big gap underneath the tail, if it's going to be that compact and squat. It's got a huge, bulbous head and a stubby little tail to try and balance it out. I mean, couldn't they just have extended the cargo compartment and had the Dread pop out of the front ramp, like they do on a normal Thunderhawk?
I do like the "conversion suggestion" quite a bit more. I agree, it at least needs a dorsal fin or something, but overall it's just a much better shape.
Reds
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 22, 2010 17:23:17 GMT -5
My big problem with it is that it still needs... something on the back instead of just a big gap underneath the tail, if it's going to be that compact and squat. It's got a huge, bulbous head and a stubby little tail to try and balance it out. I mean, couldn't they just have extended the cargo compartment and had the Dread pop out of the front ramp, like they do on a normal Thunderhawk? I do like the "conversion suggestion" quite a bit more. I agree, it at least needs a dorsal fin or something, but overall it's just a much better shape. Reds As the current model stands, I doubt that a dreadnought could egress through the front hatch--that hatch barely looks tall enough for a powered armor Marine to exit from without ducking or risk smacking their head like one of the Stormtroopers in A New Hope when the squad enters the control room on the Death Star... *Vomits at the Space Guppy model*
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 22, 2010 19:32:30 GMT -5
I am continually amused by the human capacity to pass judgment on that which they do not know.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 23, 2010 9:57:20 GMT -5
I am continually amused by the human capacity to pass judgment on that which they do not know. Laws of physics: Vaguely known. Rough approximation of the characteristics of the materials used by the supposed aircraft: Known. Personal aesthetics: Known. Conclusion: That bastard's ugly, and it won't fly in a million years, even with a fusion-powered engine and an airframe a with 1/10th the density of a contempory aircraft.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 23, 2010 15:30:27 GMT -5
You've actually supported my point, basically saying that you think it's ugly based on a crappy picture, and that you estimate that it won't fly in a million years.
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Post by Adam Selene on Nov 23, 2010 23:01:07 GMT -5
Even if it can fly, how on Terra do those Space marines fit in their, seriously!
It would Definitely be in keeping with tradition though, they must use a plunger to get marines into the rhino, razerback, land raider, even the thunderhawk don't look right. And the drop pod, it only has TEN seats, you can open it up and count them, no need to guess because their physically their! Do some marines sit on their battlebrothers laps? And WHAT ABOUT THE WARGEAR!
Their marines, not timelords, chimeras are the same size as rhinos, same capacity, but marines are bigger, and then BIGGER armour+weapons, it boggles the mind.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Nov 24, 2010 0:17:17 GMT -5
Do some marines sit on their battlebrothers laps? Yes.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 24, 2010 15:19:58 GMT -5
You've actually supported my point, basically saying that you think it's ugly based on a crappy picture, and that you estimate that it won't fly in a million years. It's an informed estimate, and the picture isn't exactly blurry or poor-quality.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 24, 2010 15:52:09 GMT -5
It's an informed estimate, and the picture isn't exactly blurry or poor-quality. ^^^ This +1. It's a pretty decent photo, and the model looks like... a... Space Guppy. Like I said, I collect Blood Angels, and I will not be buying this model. I told the manager of my local GW so when I was there yesterday doing some early Christmas shopping (buying the Cain anthologies for a Smurf-playing friend) when he asked me if I'd seen the leak.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 24, 2010 17:26:01 GMT -5
Laws of physics: Vaguely known. Rough approximation of the characteristics of the materials used by the supposed aircraft: Known. Personal aesthetics: Known. Conclusion: That bastard's ugly, and it won't fly in a million years, even with a fusion-powered engine and an airframe a with 1/10th the density of a contempory aircraft. *thoughtfully eyes up the pictured model. Checks in back yard for an 8ft long wooden baton and a few bricks. Fashions see-saw-come-catapult* I can get it to fly... can't garuntee it staying airborne for long, or the structural integrity after it "lands"... but I can get it to fly... Seriously, I'm not entirely sure I understand the idea/concept behind the model. I take it, it can carry Marines (not sure about Termies), and there was mention of it carrying a Dreadnought. Does the codex mention how or where the dreadnought is carried? (I knew not having the BA codex was going to cause issues... grrr...) I find myself getting rather... (not excited... hmmm... er...) impatient(?) for the model to be released/available to see in store (may have to go to HQ and pull in a favour... I hate doing that...) just so I can make an actual informed decision... (and then legitimately hate it )
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Post by Laughing Man on Nov 24, 2010 17:40:22 GMT -5
I find myself getting rather... (not excited... hmmm... er...) impatient(?) for the model to be released/available to see in store (may have to go to HQ and pull in a favour... I hate doing that...) just so I can make an actual informed decision... (and then legitimately hate it )The salty taste of your favours getting to you?
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Post by Trickstick on Nov 24, 2010 22:24:49 GMT -5
I don't think that it is such a bad model, will fly just about as well as any other imperial craft with flat wings. At some point the Imperium must have lost the stc design for wings that generate lift.
As GW fliers go it is pretty good. I don't really like the lascannon turret, it looks a bit stuck on to me. The hunched design is fine though, reminds me of heavy lift helicopters.
It fits in well next to other marine vehicles by the looks of it, will have to actually see one in the flesh to have a proper opinion. Have seen much better conversions, like the one my mate is using against me at the moment. Land raider + valkyrie + razorback + 2 landspeeders + venator + some ww2 stuff and a load of plasticard= dead guard. Now i just need the ludicrous money for a squad of hydras...
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 24, 2010 22:25:59 GMT -5
(may have to go to HQ and pull in a favour... I hate doing that...) Was it a favor, a dare, or a simple whim that caused you to don a purple fairy costume and get a burger?
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Post by magg on Nov 25, 2010 17:09:30 GMT -5
My big problem with it is that it still needs... something on the back instead of just a big gap underneath the tail, if it's going to be that compact and squat I think that the big gap will provide the dreadnought some space. Maybe there are some cool looking gripper arms or some electromagnets (… although the magnets reminds me of Futurama *sigh* A singing dreadnought would be cool … ), but that is exactly the problem of this picture … we cannot see it. So lets wait and see. Although everyone is bashing the ChibiHawk, I predict that it will be a best seller. I mean there were a lot of snide remarks about the new LemanRuss design, too, but I believe that the majority of us owns at least one . As an aside: If GW would do everything right from the start, we would not have the chance to convert . You only have to think about Tau BattleSuits … Ohh … and please do not start a discussion about what would work in the real world. If you would reduce 40k to what would work in the real world, it would be a very boring game. -Magg
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Post by Happyorange on Nov 25, 2010 17:22:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty late to this topic but, dayum that's fugly. Oh well, it's Space Marine, it'll sell.
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Post by Hetfiltrator on Nov 27, 2010 22:50:09 GMT -5
I like it. The whatever it's called.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 29, 2010 12:52:15 GMT -5
Was it a favor, a dare, or a simple whim that caused you to don a purple fairy costume and get a burger? Simple whim I'm afraid... I should probably take it off now...
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Dec 11, 2010 1:40:08 GMT -5
You know what... The model would make a great crash site.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 11, 2010 11:36:37 GMT -5
My big problem with it is that it still needs... something on the back instead of just a big gap underneath the tail, if it's going to be that compact and squat I think that the big gap will provide the dreadnought some space. Maybe there are some cool looking gripper arms or some electromagnets (… although the magnets reminds me of Futurama *sigh* A singing dreadnought would be cool … ), but that is exactly the problem of this picture … we cannot see it. So lets wait and see. Although everyone is bashing the ChibiHawk, I predict that it will be a best seller. I mean there were a lot of snide remarks about the new LemanRuss design, too, but I believe that the majority of us owns at least one . As an aside: If GW would do everything right from the start, we would not have the chance to convert . You only have to think about Tau BattleSuits … Ohh … and please do not start a discussion about what would work in the real world. If you would reduce 40k to what would work in the real world, it would be a very boring game. -Magg Actually, it would be an awesome game. Because it would actually have some kind of logic behind it, rather than the blind stupidity that guides GW's design philosophy. In fact, the only thing that wouldn't work would be psychic powers. Everything else in 40K land combat works, as such.
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Post by magg on Dec 11, 2010 13:29:08 GMT -5
Actually, it would be an awesome game. Because it would actually have some kind of logic behind it, rather than the blind stupidity that guides GW's design philosophy. In fact, the only thing that wouldn't work would be psychic powers. Everything else in 40K land combat works, as such. Sorry, Rolling Thunder, but I won't take the bait If you really want to start this kind of discussion, I think that there will be at least 50 sites that deal with material properties, spirituality, properties of electromagnetic waves and their effects on stellar communications, the probability calculations of the existence of extraterrestrial life, the absurdity of some of the spices in the Warhammer 40k universe and if Starship Enterprise would stand a chance against an Imperator Battleship etcetera etcetera. Sure, there is a lot of illogicality in Warhammer 40k, but if I would be adamant that every model passes an aerodynamic test and the laws of physics, I would play flames of war. I for one live with the fiction in my science fiction and with the science in my lab I hope this does not sound too harsh, because I intend no offence -Magg
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 11, 2010 16:33:24 GMT -5
Sure, there is a lot of illogicality in Warhammer 40k, but if I would be adamant that every model passes an aerodynamic test and the laws of physics, I would play flames of war. I for one live with the fiction in my science fiction and with the science in my lab Speaking of lab science, as a former lab science guy myself, what flavor of science do you do, Magg?
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Post by Dedrier on Dec 11, 2010 18:55:16 GMT -5
Hurrah for astronomy! If I majored in any science, thats what it would be.
I hate the new flyer. Its ugly, boring and it now makes it easy for my friend to take it to battle. He is the worst powergamer in existence, he isn't even good. He cuts and pastes lists from the web and then wonders why they don't work.
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Post by vegna on Dec 11, 2010 20:32:40 GMT -5
If the back was a lot bigger it'd look like the troop dropship from Starship Troopers. I want one. Oh, it does kinda' look like a goldfish, I like goldfish. I sense a good converstion then! Also, i like it. I wouldn't say the russ, orks, tau, chaos, nids or half the models in the GWs collection look nice...
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Dec 13, 2010 7:30:29 GMT -5
... if Starship Enterprise would stand a chance against an Imperator Battleship... The enterprise would be horribly violated... The Enterprise would after all be about the size of an escort ship in BFG. But to be fair, the Federation have science/exploration vessels - not war ships... Sorry... not sure why anyone needed to know that (especially me...) Does anyone know if the Windy Crow is on display anywhere? (such as GW HQ)
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Post by Machine Gun Kelly on Jan 1, 2011 7:39:48 GMT -5
I like it because it reminds me of spaceships from games I played many years ago. Like Privateer, StarLancer , etc.
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