Post by grix on Nov 30, 2010 1:39:55 GMT -5
Hello fellow Generals. I come here in search of a bit of help. With the deadline fast approaching of two tournaments this weekend, I feel that I must look for as much help as I can get. Sadly this is really only seems to be required against a Nid player. The fact that he runs IG as well, leads me to believe he has tailored his list with the idea that my IG with two other MEQ lists will be the most competition at our local tourney. I am pretty perplexed with how to deal with his list sadly. Here is a copy of my 1750 list I will be taking this weekend. I might do some minor changes, but in reality not much.
CCS-4xPG, Carapace, Plasma Pistol, OotF, Chimera
CCS-4xMG
Inquisitor-2xMystics, 2xHeirophants, Tarot, Hood
PSB-4xSanctioned Psykers
Vet Squad-3xMG, Chimera
Vet Squad-3xMG, Chimera
PCS-4xMelta
2xINF Squads- Commissar
HWT-3xML
Vendetta
Vendetta
Russ Squadron- 2xPunisher's, one with Pask, Hvy Stubber x2
This list has 15KP.
Now his list is something similar too:
2x Tyrants, 1 flying, 1 shooting
2x Tyrant Guard
1x Tervigon
1x Guant brood
1x Termigaunt brood
1x Gargoyel brood
1x Mawloc
2x Zoenthropes w/drop pod
3x Biovores
His last list had the Doom, and one one prior too that had genestealers.
Now the main issue I am having is not really having much time too shoot him prior to his gargoyles hitting my lines. Which are them backed up by the winged tyrant. His Mawloc keeps being a very annoying MC. And his Tervigon keeps generating additional troop choices.
The last two times I have played him he has table'd me, but I refuse to let that happen again. I have NOT been playing with the Inquisitor so that should help quite a bit, he has not seen that from me, and will be my ace up my sleeve for this weekend. It should help with the FNP, along with all the other Psychic powers he uses as I will be able to hopefully hood a couple.
Also the previous two games I have played against him I had been targeting his MC, I believe this time around I will use my punishers to remove his Gargoyels turn 1 hopefully, then focus on the MC. In reality if I am able to take out his Gargoyels, it will give me an additional turn of shooting on him which should be sufficient. The melta on my PCS is for when he DS's his Doom inside my lines. I figure if I am able to get LoS on what ever deepstrikes with my mystics the ideal unit too use would be the Punisher tanks. Even if he does not DS right in front of me, it is still 46 shots as the turrets are able to turn. 46 shots should be enough too force a couple of saves, even with a 3+ Invul from Warp Field, if you have to take 12ish saves he will still fail 6 and go down prior to being able to do something.
I feel that the Inquisitor gives me an edge I did not have before, and a very good one. I also feel that my target priority should be:
1st- gargoyels (he is using them as cover for his flying Tyrant, and T1 he gives his Flying Tyrant and his 2 Tyrang Guard FNP.
2nd- MC (primarily his Flyrant and Tervigon, if I am able to limit how many extra troop choices he is able to field it should make it a bit easier)
3rd- his Zoanthropes and Doom (the Inquisitor will help with this, hopefully killing them prior to them being able to do anything)
4th- Mop up.
-Now my questions are do you have any suggestions?
-Without deviating too much from my list (because I have been playtesting it quite a bit and feel confident I can kill MEQ with it) would you change anything?
-How would you deal with a Nid list similar to this?
CCS-4xPG, Carapace, Plasma Pistol, OotF, Chimera
CCS-4xMG
Inquisitor-2xMystics, 2xHeirophants, Tarot, Hood
PSB-4xSanctioned Psykers
Vet Squad-3xMG, Chimera
Vet Squad-3xMG, Chimera
PCS-4xMelta
2xINF Squads- Commissar
HWT-3xML
Vendetta
Vendetta
Russ Squadron- 2xPunisher's, one with Pask, Hvy Stubber x2
This list has 15KP.
Now his list is something similar too:
2x Tyrants, 1 flying, 1 shooting
2x Tyrant Guard
1x Tervigon
1x Guant brood
1x Termigaunt brood
1x Gargoyel brood
1x Mawloc
2x Zoenthropes w/drop pod
3x Biovores
His last list had the Doom, and one one prior too that had genestealers.
Now the main issue I am having is not really having much time too shoot him prior to his gargoyles hitting my lines. Which are them backed up by the winged tyrant. His Mawloc keeps being a very annoying MC. And his Tervigon keeps generating additional troop choices.
The last two times I have played him he has table'd me, but I refuse to let that happen again. I have NOT been playing with the Inquisitor so that should help quite a bit, he has not seen that from me, and will be my ace up my sleeve for this weekend. It should help with the FNP, along with all the other Psychic powers he uses as I will be able to hopefully hood a couple.
Also the previous two games I have played against him I had been targeting his MC, I believe this time around I will use my punishers to remove his Gargoyels turn 1 hopefully, then focus on the MC. In reality if I am able to take out his Gargoyels, it will give me an additional turn of shooting on him which should be sufficient. The melta on my PCS is for when he DS's his Doom inside my lines. I figure if I am able to get LoS on what ever deepstrikes with my mystics the ideal unit too use would be the Punisher tanks. Even if he does not DS right in front of me, it is still 46 shots as the turrets are able to turn. 46 shots should be enough too force a couple of saves, even with a 3+ Invul from Warp Field, if you have to take 12ish saves he will still fail 6 and go down prior to being able to do something.
I feel that the Inquisitor gives me an edge I did not have before, and a very good one. I also feel that my target priority should be:
1st- gargoyels (he is using them as cover for his flying Tyrant, and T1 he gives his Flying Tyrant and his 2 Tyrang Guard FNP.
2nd- MC (primarily his Flyrant and Tervigon, if I am able to limit how many extra troop choices he is able to field it should make it a bit easier)
3rd- his Zoanthropes and Doom (the Inquisitor will help with this, hopefully killing them prior to them being able to do anything)
4th- Mop up.
-Now my questions are do you have any suggestions?
-Without deviating too much from my list (because I have been playtesting it quite a bit and feel confident I can kill MEQ with it) would you change anything?
-How would you deal with a Nid list similar to this?