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Post by Nathaniel Thorne on Mar 31, 2011 13:09:22 GMT -5
I have been very reliably informed that the cost of 'white metal' alloy is set to increase by 30%!! I know this is already causing massive problems for smaller companies such as Heresy miniatures, but as an off-shoot of this there is another rumour (fairly reliable) that GW will be suspending the use of white metal altogether and looking at using resin instead! I dread to think how this is going to affect our wallets, has anyone else heard anything of this kind?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 31, 2011 13:29:54 GMT -5
I think it's going to result in a price increase either way, so if anyone wants any metal models, they should get them now...
Reds
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Post by Nathaniel Thorne on Mar 31, 2011 13:35:39 GMT -5
yeah thats what Andy at Heresy is recommending, he's also considering stopping production of some of his larger models...
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Mar 31, 2011 14:11:51 GMT -5
To be frank, (I'll revert back to beiung Gabriel later) I'm getting kind of surprised GW are still making anyform of metal models. If you read a lot of what they say regarding their moulding processes and the details they can put in (by cramming more on each sprue so individual components can be cast seperately - thereby negating mould line issues with sowrds for example), it seems metal models have had their day. I suppose it's just lucky for me that pretty much anything I particularly "need" or "want" is either avaialble in plastic or is a Resin only model anyway... Does really suck for smaller companies such as Heresy miniatures though  |
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Post by Nathaniel Thorne on Mar 31, 2011 14:41:15 GMT -5
To be honest I think its for a few reason, tradition being one of them, traditional sculpting techniques and such, also two-part rubber moulds for metal casting are cheaper than plastic injection moulds and vacuum resin moulds, and until now at least, the white metal itself was cheaper than resin, at least with Forgeworld under their wing the quality should still be first rate
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Post by cheminhaler on Mar 31, 2011 15:02:07 GMT -5
A similar thing happened with brass and copper a couple of years ago: anything solid brass just became way more expensive. Edit : Damn! I need to buy those Bob Olley ogryns sooner, rather than later. www.olleysarmies.co.uk/sfogres.html |
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Post by Trickstick on Mar 31, 2011 18:43:43 GMT -5
*Sigh*
It looks like my ogryn dreams are going to be a bit further in the future then. At least I got Nork though.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 31, 2011 19:52:43 GMT -5
*Sigh* It looks like my ogryn dreams are going to be a bit further in the future then. At least I got Nork though. Chin up, maybe you'll end up with plastic Ogryns  But otherwise I'll need to look through the catalogue and work out if I need to get anything so thanks for the heads up. |
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Post by Trickstick on Mar 31, 2011 20:00:15 GMT -5
Well plastic would be nice I suppose, but I doubt it would happen. If they ended up looking like those WHFB ogres I would burn the moulds though. I hate those things.
I think that I am ok on the pewter front other than that. Nothing is leaping to mind.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 31, 2011 20:51:43 GMT -5
Well plastic would be nice I suppose, but I doubt it would happen. If they ended up looking like those WHFB ogres I would burn the moulds though. I hate those things. I think that I am ok on the pewter front other than that. Nothing is leaping to mind. If they did make them I imagine a sensible goal would be to make them compatible with the fantasy ogres but distinct so you could get the best out of kitbashing. Still I guess GW would have quite a few kits to replace and they already have irons in the fire for models that don't have kits yet so I guess I should get myself some Kroxigors and a couple of lictors sooner rather than later. Though I might just ebay up some of the sweet earlier models of those things. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Apr 2, 2011 14:01:04 GMT -5
Personally I loved the Ogre Bull kit. You can't deny it was a pretty unique kit, and there are plenty of superb conversions done on that kit. Like ssgtdude's lady ogryns.
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Post by Morat on Apr 2, 2011 14:23:58 GMT -5
Internally the long term plan was always to do away with metal altogether, though that was supposed to happen after everything bar special characters was in plastic and we're still 4 maybe 5 years from that.
Interestingly Mantic have just started producing their metal figures in some kind of new, high detail, less brittle resin, with promising results. Will be interesting to see if GW adopt similar tech.
It's all irrelevant to me, I have't bought a metal 40k or Warhammer fig in 7 years or so. Does make me fear for what's left of the specialist games range though.
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Post by cheminhaler on Apr 2, 2011 14:46:40 GMT -5
Although if you think it through logically, if you have a large collection of metal minis, you're minted.
Time to go to eBay!
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Post by Nathaniel Thorne on Apr 7, 2011 3:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by Morat on Apr 7, 2011 5:14:58 GMT -5
Had a quick fiddle with some resin/plastic figures last night, they were pretty much as advertised. Felt like plastic with a similar quality of detail, but "bendier" than resin. Indeed the figures had long lances and they felt pretty much like plastic ones for strength (not that I bent them far, I believe it's bad form to snap another man's models, even in the name of science.
Only significant difference seems to be that you use superglue to stick it.
If this is the future, then I might actually use "metal" models again.
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Post by syphon on Apr 12, 2011 15:59:00 GMT -5
(not that I bent them far, I believe it's bad form to snap another man's models, even in the name of science. But...science! Silliness aside, I hate resin. It's a female dog to stick to something without superglue (currently I use a combination of super and plastic) so you have to keep that on hand... |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 12, 2011 17:23:01 GMT -5
Resin has been cheaper than metal for a long time, it's just that making a good resin mini costs more than making a half-decent metal one. If they had just sucked it up, and converted their materials a while back, they'd be fine. They'd still raise prices, of course.
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Post by Nathaniel Thorne on May 16, 2011 12:28:33 GMT -5
just saw this on BoLS, first price list for new citadel 'fine cast'
Starting from the 28th of May 120 products that were Games Workshop direct only items will be coming back on the shelves as resin or resin Hybrids. This new range “Citadel Fine Cast” range will be limited in number for the first few months, so we will be taking advance orders for them.
Here are the new recast products at the full RRP;
41-60 COMMANDER DANTE £10.50
53-60 LOGAN GRIMNAR £14.50
55-61 THE EMPERORS CHAMPION £9.50
48-63 SPACE MARINE CHAPLAIN WITH JUMP PACK £10.50
44-60 DARK ANGELS COMPANY MASTER £10.50
48-61 SM LIBRARIAN IN TERMINATOR ARMOUR £14.50
53-61 NJAL STORMCALLER £14.50
41-61 ASTORATH THE GRIM £12.50
43-60 ABADDON THE DESPOILER £14.50
43-61 HURON BLACKHEART £10.50
50-61 ORK WARBOSS WITH ATTACK SQUIG £14.50
50-63 ORK BIG MEK £14.50
50-65 ORK PAINBOY WITH GROT ORDERLY £10.50
46-61 ELDAR AUTARCH WITH POWER WEAPON £10.50
46-62 THE AVATAR OF KHAINE £22.50
46-63 HARLEQUIN DEATH JESTER £10.50
46-64 HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER £10.50
47-61 COMMISSAR YARRICK £10.50
47-63 IMPERIAL GUARD LORD COMMISSAR £9.50
51-61 TYRANID ZOANTHROPE £15.50
51-63 TYRANID TYRANT GUARD £15.50
51-64 TYRANID HIVE GUARD £15.50
51-65 TYRANID BROODLORD £15.50
57-61 BROTHER CAPTAIN STERN £14.50
57-60 LORD KALDOR DRAIGO £14.50
57-62 CASTELLAN CROWE £10.50
57-63 INQUISITOR COTEAZ £10.50
45-60 DARK ELDAR ARCHON £9.50
45-64 LELITH HESPERAX £10.50
45-63 URIEN RAKARTH £10.50
45-61 DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS £9.50
56-60 TAU ETHEREAL WITH HONOUR BLADE £9.50
83-62 CHAOS EXALTED HERO £9.50
83-63 CHAOS KHORNE EXALTED HERO £10.50
86-60 EMPIRE CAPTAIN WITH HAMMER & PISTOL £9.50
92-60 WOOD ELF HIGHBORN WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
84-60 DWARF LORD WITH HAMMER & SHIELD £9.50
84-61 DWARF RUNELORD WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
90-60 SKAVEN WARLORD £9.50
90-61 QUEEK HEADTAKER £10.50
90-62 DEATHMASTER SNIKCH £10.50
91-61 VAMPIRE LORD £9.50
89-60 GRIMGOR IRONHIDE £10.50
89-62 BLACK ORC BIG BOSS £10.50
87-60 CARADRYAN £10.50
85-61 DARK ELF ASSASSIN WITH TWO HAND WEAPONS £9.50
81-60 MALAGOR THE DARK OMEN £12.50
10-61 URUK-HAI WITH CROSSBOWS £14.00
10-62 URUK-HAI BERSERKERS £14.00
08-61 GOTHMOG (PELENNOR) £20.50
05-60 ELROND AND GIL-GALAD £15.00
10-60 SARUMAN AND GRIMA £15.00
02-60 GANDALF THE WHITE £20.50
04-60 ARAGORN (THE BLACK GATE) £20.50
04-62 THEODEN (HELM’S DEEP) £20.50
04-61 BOROMIR (ITHILIEN) £20.50
09-60 SULADAN THE SERPENT LORD £20.50
08-62 THE DARK MARSHAL (RINGWRAITH) £20.50
05-61 DAIN AND BALIN £15.00
97-60 SKULLTAKER £14.50
48-40 MARNEUS CALGAR AND HONOUR GUARD £36.00
48-41 SPACE MARINE TECHMARINE WITH SERVITORS £25.50
55-40 BLACK TEMPLARS SWORD BRETHREN SQUAD £25.50
48-42 SPACE MARINE STERNGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50
48-43 SPACE MARINE VANGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50
53-40 CANIS WOLFBORN £30.00
43-40 NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE £21.50
43-41 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS £25.50
43-42 DEATH GUARD PLAGUE MARINES £25.50
50-43 BOSS ZAGSTRUK £14.50
50-40 GHAZGHKULL THRAKA £22.50
50-41 ORK TANKBUSTAS £25.50
50-42 ORK BIG MEK WITH SHOKK ATTACK GUN £23.00
46-41 ELDAR RANGERS £20.50
46-42 ELDAR DARK REAPERS £23.00
46-44 ELDAR STRIKING SCORPIONS £23.00
46-40 ELDAR FARSEER AND WARLOCKS £20.50
51-42 TYRANID LICTOR £15.50
51-40 TYRANID HIVE TYRANT £36.00
51-41 TYRANID PYROVORE £21.50
45-40 DARK ELDAR INCUBI £23.00
45-41 DARK ELDAR MANDRAKES £20.50
56-40 TAU SNIPER DRONE TEAM £23.00
83-42 ARCHAON THE EVERCHOSEN £30.00
83-43 CHAOS LORD ON DAEMONIC MOUNT £22.50
83-41 CHAOS DRAGON OGRE SHAGGOTH £36.00
86-41 LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM £22.50
86-40 KURT HELBORG £22.50
82-41 THE GREEN KNIGHT £22.50
82-40 KING LOUEN LEONCOEUR £30.00
92-42 WOOD ELVES TREE KIN £30.00
92-40 ORION KING IN THE WOODS £22.50
92-41 WOOD ELVES TREEMAN £36.00
84-40 THOREK IRONBROW £36.00
84-41 DWARF GYROCOPTER £23.00
84-42 DWARF BOLT THROWER £23.00
90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00
91-40 VAMPIRE COUNTS VARGHULF £21.50
91-42 COUNT MANNFRED £22.50
91-41 VAMPIRE COUNTS BLOOD KNIGHTS £61.50
88-41 KROQ GAR £40.00
89-44 GOBLIN SPEAR CHUKKA £18.50
89-43 SAVAGE ORC GREAT SHAMAN ON WAR BOAR £15.50
89-41 ORC WARBOSS ON WYVERN £40.00
89-42 GOBLIN ROCK LOBBER £23.00
89-45 GORBAD IRONCLAW £30.00
89-40 AZHAG THE SLAUGHTERER £55.00
85-41 DARK ELVES REAPER BOLT THROWER £18.50
08-40 THE DARK LORD SAURON £25.50
08-42 GULAHVAR THE TERROR OF ARNOR £30.00
08-43 MORDOR TROLL CHIEFTAIN £25.50
02-40 THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING £37.00
97-42 FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH £15.50
From here.
Price increases ranging from 30p to a few pounds in general, or 2.5-25%
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