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Post by Empirespy on May 1, 2011 16:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by Cosmic on May 1, 2011 16:13:27 GMT -5
There's a thread on this already, about 3 or 4 threads down.
But yeah I've heard of it, not sure what to make of it though. Might change it for resin?
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Post by Empirespy on May 1, 2011 16:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on May 2, 2011 3:30:01 GMT -5
I hope they keep the old molds and just simply copy them to plastic.
A box of plastic commissars and plastic Creed and Kell. Yes please.
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Post by vegna on May 2, 2011 5:58:42 GMT -5
yeah would be a better choice. they'll up the price on the models tho!
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Post by cheminhaler on May 2, 2011 6:32:34 GMT -5
Well what about all the other companies who produce everything in metal?
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on May 3, 2011 10:03:06 GMT -5
I would like to point out that the Tomb Kings will still have metal figures, as will all others that I know of, but if I hear anything in company i'll let you guys know.
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Post by Trickstick on May 3, 2011 10:20:17 GMT -5
I hope they keep the old molds and just simply copy them to plastic. I don't think that is possible. The difference in materials would mean that the moulds would need to be modified, due to the different flow rates and stuff. I don't really know much about model casting though, so this is just a guess. I have heard that they are going to be moving towards resin for the smaller production models. Of course, I have also heard that pidgeons explode when you feed them rice. So as things go, "I have heard" ranks somewhere near "my mate's brother's wife's chiropodists" in the reliability rankings.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on May 3, 2011 10:25:01 GMT -5
birds in general explode if you feed them bread with baking soda on it.
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Post by 3ff3ct on May 3, 2011 10:31:40 GMT -5
birds in general explode if you feed them bread with baking soda on it. Seagulls are suckers for that ;D The molding processes for metal plastic are totally different, the metal process uses a two-part silicone mold, which hot metal is poured into then spun on a centrefuge. Plastic uses metal molds, which are carved by machines, and the plastic is injected into them. Very expensive to make the molds, although they do last forever pretty much. I'll be upset if everything goes to resin, as although forgeworlds models have a lot more detail, most of it is lost due to horrendous casting due to the warped molds they still (for some reason) use. If I have to re-sculpt my standard models as well I'll be a bit ticked off!
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Post by vegna on May 3, 2011 17:53:56 GMT -5
3ff3ct, I'd be more upset at the price hike! most of the resin cost more than the metal which cost more then the plastic. uppsets me as plastics better to work with personally.
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Post by Trickstick on May 3, 2011 19:26:48 GMT -5
However, materials are a very small part of the overall price. You have design, shipping, manufacturing, tax, staff, premises and probably a whole load more that I am forgetting. Infact, the biggest three costs by far are staff, premises and tax, everything else is tiny by comparison.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 3, 2011 20:07:08 GMT -5
Resin is dirt cheap. I have enough in this room somewhere to make a 2K army of every race, and it cost me ~$70. As soon as I find it, I'm going to make the replacement parts for my floor and table, though.
As for birds, they explode best when fed plastic explosives. And yes, I would be the greatest chem teacher ever.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on May 4, 2011 1:18:32 GMT -5
resin may be cheap but the proper set up to create the hundreds of thousands of sprues they would need is insane.
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Post by Morat on May 4, 2011 6:21:08 GMT -5
As I sain int'other thread, it'll almost certainly be the new plastic resin hybrid that Mantic games have taken to using as a metal substitute that Workshop use. Feels almost exactly like the styrene we're used to but sticks with superglue instead of plastic glue. Probably takes paint less well too. So it's a lot less brittle than the stuff forgeworld uses.
Set-up costs are going to be the biggest kicker here. The factory currently has 12 or so "forges" for metal moulding. All of which will become redundant. Plus the tooling workshop (where they make the surprisingly short-lived metal moulds, will need completely re-working for resin making. I suspect the new resin moulds may be even less resilient and need re-tooling even more often. They'll need to buy in lots of vacuum chambers to draw the bubbles out of the resin moulds and they don't come cheap.
All in all the changeover is quite the big job. I'd expect resin costs to be similar if not higher than current metal figures, but cheaper than Forgeworld probably.
Birds don't explode when fed bicarbonate and the like, but they do suffer stomach rupture and die of internal bleeding. Don't do it kids.
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Post by Beav on May 12, 2011 4:48:17 GMT -5
Why don't we die if fed that crap? Also there are two chemicals (nto sure which), but when mixed they prevent a very important cellular process, and if that's stopped you die. One of them is in wheat
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Post by Sil on May 12, 2011 5:06:54 GMT -5
oooh, I vaguely remember this from 6th form biology, it prevents cellular respiration or something, and your cells basically suffocate and die...
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Post by Trickstick on May 12, 2011 5:13:16 GMT -5
The topic of preventing cellular respiration is hearby censured by ResCorp. We will not have people committing crimes against respiration. Well, people other than us that is.
On a more serious note, I am actually interested in what these chemicals are. I hope that they do not form a gas, that could be quite dangerous.
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Post by 3ff3ct on May 16, 2011 13:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by cheminhaler on May 16, 2011 14:19:23 GMT -5
Or just buy from other companies, who sell single metal figures for £3.50, rather than £8.50 pushing on a tenner. Just shop around in the 'consumer association' thread; there are tons of miniatures still being produced in metal.. Expensive resin hybrids aren't really an ideal solution.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on May 16, 2011 14:36:56 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wonder what this is going to do to the market for the old metal minis. Even though they are eventually going to be reproduced in the new material, do y'all think they will become treasured collector's items and skyrocket in price, or will they become next to worthless?
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Post by 3ff3ct on May 16, 2011 15:21:30 GMT -5
Sell em as scrap Theyre worth a lot more than they were 5 years ago (if onbly id invested in tin stocks and shares, not tin soldiers....) I just think its darn right cheeky cranking the price and changing to a cheaper material. Ok theyve got losses to make, and I sure as hell will be going down the kitbash route from now on to represent special characters that should have been metal..... Unless of course future releases in 'finecast' have forge world detail without the warping, flash etc etc
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Post by vegna on May 16, 2011 15:42:57 GMT -5
i know the feeling, they keep charging more and more and thats why they make a loss. they get more customers and sales if they didn't keep cranking up all the prices -_- it means less and less of the younger generation of geeks will be able to afford to play!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 16, 2011 16:56:11 GMT -5
i know the feeling, they keep charging more and more and thats why they make a loss. they get more customers and sales if they didn't keep cranking up all the prices -_- it means less and less of the younger generation of geeks will be able to afford to play! Part of the issue is that GW's upper management has to reconcile the fact that they are running a business with the fact that the business they are running is actually a hobby. They keep making decisions that seem like they'll increase revenue in the short term (and their very overinflated stock has gone up accordingly), but the policy changes aren't exactly the kind that encourage long term investment in the hobby, and can actually discourage the buy in, since a 1.5k army can cost $400-$500, as opposed to about $100 less than that when I first started playing three years ago. Prices keep going up and up, driving more people away and raising the entry fee to the hobby, meaning they have to jack prices again to make the cost up. Sooner or later, the whole thing has to implode unless some drastic changes are made. Reds
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Post by Laughing Man on May 16, 2011 17:06:33 GMT -5
So i'm thinking i'm going to try out some new gaming systems.
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