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Post by F.K.M on Sept 3, 2011 12:39:49 GMT -5
What if somebody made a nagash army. The tomb kings hate him and he got mad at the vampire counts for failing and basically attacked them. This makes it so he's definitely not vampire counts but probably different to tomb kings as well. I don't know if they could have a nagash faction but then what would they call it Nagash Reborn? Meh i dunno. They have the reborn version of sigmar if i remember at least in stories and with models. Personally i can't see why we can't have nagash as a model and have an army based off him. He'd probably be way too strong but archaeon is a bad ass too so whatever. Hopefully a 3rd undead army doesn't seem like overkill for fantasy. They do have 3 elf races, 3 chaos races and multiple human races though.
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Post by emptyhat on Sept 3, 2011 18:38:03 GMT -5
Sounds like the kind of thing teen necromancers are into until they get out of their parent's corpse filled basements and find it impossible to get hired by Counts or Kings until they scrub their resume.
There did used to be a Nagash model though. He was a big metal dude.
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 3, 2011 19:05:17 GMT -5
Meh i think it could work. Personally i just find it hard to believe the guy that is the most well known necromancer in the world and constantly gets resurrected isn't represented and doesn't have his own side. The dude nearly took over the world several times. He can be considered as bad as the chaos races itself. Dude's a fornicateing god practically.
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Post by Gerner on Sept 4, 2011 6:03:43 GMT -5
Dude's a fornicateing god practically. And that's exactly why he isn't in the game. Else Sigmar also needed to be playable. If you want to use him just go nuts with a Necromancer in Vampire Count army and tons of skeletons. That is basically it. |
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Post by Trickstick on Sept 4, 2011 18:36:03 GMT -5
You have stumbled onto my first ever army FKM, 'Undead'. Not pansy ass vampires or smelly old mummies but proper necromancer led undead. Mine was lead by Heinrich Kemmler, the Lichmaster. I really hate how you can't have an undead army with only necromancers in it anymore, it is the one thing stopping me from collecting fantasy. Then I could have skeleton pikemen. I believe (maybe wrongly) that you would have to have at least one vampire or lich to lead your army.
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 4, 2011 21:44:01 GMT -5
I think it would severely limit your forces but you might be able to use a wight king if you have vampire counts (basically a skeleton hero). Of course that's only a hero choice. Also liche priests keep the tomb kings army up just as the general in a vampire counts list keep their army up. You may need at least one vampire leading the army though. It's hard to tell. My roommate's VC army book is around here somewhere.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Sept 5, 2011 2:32:36 GMT -5
I expect the Nagash plot to be turned into a global campaign by GW at some point.
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Post by emptyhat on Sept 5, 2011 8:03:11 GMT -5
That would be quite cool. What was the last global campaign? I think the ones I remember were: The Third War for Armageddon, and the Albion campaign.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Sept 5, 2011 8:41:33 GMT -5
The last WHFB campaign was the somewhat lame Crown of Whatever, before that I think the msot recent was Storm of Chaos. Which was absolutely amazing.  Not sure about the 40K timeline, but Eye of Terror was really cool. |
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 5, 2011 8:57:35 GMT -5
I think one of the last campaigns had to do with skaven fighting everybody and that was for the 'island of blood'. However i'm not sure. I didn't like storm of magic personally. You killed the enemy army with minimal losses good for you but you managed to not hold as many fulcrums with wizards. You still lose. I hate that so much. I destroyed 2 guys and mostly the high elves while my ally mopped up the dwarfs. However they had more fulcrums and the game ended with them holding 2 to our 1. I had 80% of my army left at game end. Think about that for a second. The high elves i was fighting were decimated. Maybe i just like regular rules.
I hope there's a nagash campaign. Nagash is pretty cool and has fought a lot of different armies. It sounds like it'd be VC vs everybody so probably when they get their next army book.
I think island of blood would've ended better if high elves didn't have such an advantage. In my opinion high elves vs skaven is always an uphill battle for skaven. Most of their units will rape you in melee and their magic is really horrible to face. However their shooting is very mild so if she can shoot them that's good. However skaven shooting is also pretty mild so usually you're forced to using your own magic. You have to pray you can use plague, the 13th spell, scorch and possibly wither. Other than that if you do have to go melee just hit them with things like the hellpit abomination against spearmean and sea guard. They totally can't handle it. I wonder what a plague monks force with skrolk would be like. He allows you to take plague monks as core. That might be ok vs high elves.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Sept 5, 2011 10:03:05 GMT -5
Nagash doesn't have rules any more? Darn, so what could I use a 20 foot skeleton in a pointy hat as if I ever decided to actually make use of this ancient vampire army I've inherited?
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Sept 5, 2011 10:14:17 GMT -5
I expect the Nagash plot to be turned into a global campaign by GW at some point. For some reason, I remember them saying they won't be doing Global Campaigns as much anymore, or at least not in the same way. Or something like that. |
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 5, 2011 12:54:35 GMT -5
Nagash doesn't have rules any more? Darn, so what could I use a 20 foot skeleton in a pointy hat as if I ever decided to actually make use of this ancient vampire army I've inherited? Unfortunately only tomb kings has a similar model. I think it was named prince apophas. |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 12, 2011 6:42:20 GMT -5
A Nagash race...like....say...the Undead?
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Sept 12, 2011 13:37:27 GMT -5
I choose not to comment on that.  |
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 12, 2011 14:14:26 GMT -5
@rt: They already have 2 undead races. My point is though he distinctly does not belong to either the vampire counts or the tomb kings he has almost destroyed the world at least once possibly several more times. The time the skaven took him down he would've destroyed the world if they didn't do something. This was before sigmar or the empire were around to do jack. However such a powerful side isn't represented. It's almost like having the nids or orks not represented in 40k. Then again there are still many groups of people not represented in the game like the army that represents china basically. In fact they don't have many far east armies represented in the game.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 12, 2011 15:31:40 GMT -5
TBH Nagash is the crappest mini GW ever made. EVER.
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 12, 2011 17:51:34 GMT -5
Really?! What about the dreadknight?
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Sept 12, 2011 18:16:03 GMT -5
When you're a 20 foot tall skeleton dressed like the pope dracula...
um, yeah...you're going to look silly.
He is pretty hidious, I should finish painting him and post a picture...
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Post by Trickstick on Sept 12, 2011 19:18:18 GMT -5
I like the old Nagash model, he looks so happy.
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 12, 2011 21:25:50 GMT -5
When you're a 20 foot tall skeleton dressed like the pope dracula... um, yeah...you're going to look silly. He is pretty hidious, I should finish painting him and post a picture... Pope dracula huh? That's a pretty awesome idea actually. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfV32ThLEso |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 13, 2011 3:12:18 GMT -5
@rt: They already have 2 undead races. My point is though he distinctly does not belong to either the vampire counts or the tomb kings he has almost destroyed the world at least once possibly several more times. The time the skaven took him down he would've destroyed the world if they didn't do something. This was before sigmar or the empire were around to do jack. However such a powerful side isn't represented. It's almost like having the nids or orks not represented in 40k. Then again there are still many groups of people not represented in the game like the army that represents china basically. In fact they don't have many far east armies represented in the game. ...*Sigh*. 1. Buy Necromancer. Buy undead. Congratulations, you now have one of Nagash's undead lieutenants. What, did you expect some extra special rules TOO MAKE DEM SUPASPESHUL AWSUM? 2. For being able to represent the armies of all nations at all times in WHFB, I direct you to member Gardelin, who I'm sure will appreciate your help in constructing his WHFB remake. |
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Post by Trickstick on Sept 13, 2011 7:59:22 GMT -5
I looked into doing a necromancer army based around my Heinrich Kemmler model. The problem is, you can only have level 1 necromancers, who hardly represent powerful generals. You can buy extra spells but I don't know if you would still be level 1, I don't even know what mastery levels do, something about power dice maybe?
You also need a vampire to get a zombie dragon, so my wight on a dragon is useless.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Sept 13, 2011 8:43:00 GMT -5
From Lexicanum:
"Nagash once again returned to life, 1,666 years after his death at the hands of Sigmar, in the night known as the Night of the Restless Dead. It is thought he is again re-building his power. Though only a fraction of his former self, he is still one of the most powerful beings in existence, worshipped by some as the god of Necromancy. He knows he cannot be reckless again, so he bides his time until he can once more take on the world.
Its believed that he is currently enacting his will in the world through the manipulation of others, in particular Lichmaster Heinrich Kemmler and his henchman Krell, and even Mannfred Von Carstein, who had a talisman from Khemri origin that Nagash previously used to have complete control over the undead."
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Post by F.K.M on Sept 13, 2011 13:39:45 GMT -5
Yeah but that's like 1,000 years before present day warhammer. You mean to tell me when the world is in a clusterfornicate of chaos and such that he doesn't see weakness and try to invade. The skaven are gathering strength as are other races. Also whenever the skaven use a terrible plague to kill people they usually leave a lot of corpses. In fact any war leaves a ton of corpses and then bam you have your undead army just waiting to be raised. Besides it's not like nagash hasn't died and come back several times already.
My point is more that nagash should have his own side. Vampires were welcomed at first by nagash but then he condemned them. He should have a host of underlings for his own side. It's a little hard to control a huge army even if you are the most powerful necromancer in history.
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