Anti guard Eldar

[treadiculous]

I want to try and put together a colection of good tactics and unit combos that eldar can use against the guard.

I regularily play my friends eldar and he's yet to win.. I want to see if there are a few tricks he can pull on me with his flying tanks, interesting psychic powers and exarch abilities.

He has:... all numbers are aproximate

40 guardians
10 ranger / pathfinder
10 wraithguard

10 striking scorpions
10 swooping hawks
10 harlequins
10 Fire Dragons

Avatar
Wraithlord (another to be built.. but include it if needed)
2 WarWalkers

Various Farseer / Warlocks
Autarch

Wave Serpent (maybe 2?)
Fire Prism

I tend to field my normal army core of 1000 point infantry, with added chimera and mortars if it goes to 1.5k, sometimes I'll field LRBT instead, but I always keep the 1k of infantry (which is 2 platoons, 1 assualt, 1 gunline).

He likes:

Swooping hawks: they have a large template which is dropped when they return to the board (he starts on table turn 1, then off, then on, then off etc)

Harlequins; they can be hidden by the viel of tears or something like that which makes them hard to shoot until they're chopping me up!

Avatar and Wraithlords: Big, scary and can take a fair amount of damage, but can deal out much more once close!

Striking Scorpions: he used to use these, but has switched to Harlequins as my assault platoon (with 3 commissars) was munching them.

Fire Dragons and Wave Serpent: think melta vets in valk, but better, only trouble is cost and they need a good target!

Wraithguard: He really likes these, 3+ save is good, and the weapons (once in range) are pretty deadly, but they're slow!

Guardians: He's started talking of using large guardian blobs... i'm intrigued!..

Rangers: He used to use these a lot, but they've fallen from grace, I've heard doom + guide + pathfinders can be really deadly.. but against hordes?

Warwalkers... yet to be painted, though I've been insisting they should be next, with 4 scatter lasers, 16 S6 shots from outflankers is not to be sniffed at!

Anyways.. I'm putting this up as a slow burner, any ideas for how he can best crush me would be great!!

[rotnak1271]

New to the board, first post and all. Please be gentle.

Played and collected eldar for years. With what he's got it sounds like he's got a foot force mostly?

Harlequins in front with the seer with veil will give cover to everything behind and make you have to roll for sight to them.

Line up the Wraithguard with a warlock behind that, 10 strong so its troops. Put a farseer and the avatar behind that and as many guardian squads. Avatar keeps the guardians fearless and the Wraithguard screen the guardians in case the harlies can't screen everything. All of this goes straight up the middle and looks to engage as appropriate.

I like the hawks against guard because of the lasblasters and the haywire grenades instead of the grenade packs.

Put the scorpions in a wave serpent and outflank them because of the exarch's powers. Instant side shots against your tanks. Kit the wave serpent with an Eldar ML in the turret and upgrade the shuricats to a catapult. Against armor shoot a krak missle. Against troops shoot a Plasma Missile and the Shuricannon.

Dragons in a serpent are an obvious choice. He'll probably want two wraithlords to try and draw fire from the serpents. Kit the wraithlords with bright lance and missle launcher for anti-tank or scatter laser and shuricannon for anti-personell.

[Commisar "General" Dr Phillips]

Alright first, to you Rotnak1271, welcome to the board second, my friend plays Eldar over here and hasn't lost a game yet, so that has to be something, he tends to use a lot of Dire Avengers against my guard as a main staple to his army, plenty of troops to contest points and the bladestorm if used at the right moment is scary as all get out, they tend to be ten man squads with the shimmering shield for a 5+ invuln save he also likes to take a wraithlord with a brightlance and wraithsword and run it along the flanks normally and takes the Farseer special character. not sure if this helps but its my two cents.
- Commissar General Dr. Phillips

[StillANoob]

My most common gaming partner plays Eldar and I'll tell you now, 2 Wraithlord and 10 Wraithgaurd do not die easily. Especially when he runs it straight at you.

So from a person who has been gutterstomped by Eldar I'd take alot of Wraith death, especially if you know your opponent runs alot of plain IS. Farseer in the Wraithgaurd squad for fortune and doom. Re-rolls everywhere. Outfit the Wraithgaurd for combat and get em there fast. 2 flamethrowers and either Brightlances or Missilelaunchers to target tanks on the way over.

Striking Scorpions outflanking a gunline will ruin most Gaurdsmens days. A proper gunline will stretch almost the whole deployment zone so either A. You'll get to put the Scorpions in the perfect position and run straight into the first squad you want to kill and kill it. Thats mostly the Lascannon/Autocannon team thats been wrecking your Wraithy death, or the Mortar squad that just annihilated your DA/Gaurdian squad camping the Objective. B. You end up stranded and shot back into the warp.

The Warp Hunter is a must!! Large blast, auto wounds on 2+, no armour saves for gaurdsmen and it can take out tanks. Its a skimmer tank and therefore gets a jink save if you move it at all. It is a FW but I believe its GW approved.

Other than that I consider Gaurdians are just useless. They're Gaurdsmen with shiny armour. Dire Avengers are a much better option.

Fire Dragons in a Wave Serpent with Brightlances will turn Tanks into slag all game long. Simply point at enemy, roll dice, repeat.

I knew gettting my ass kicked for this long would help someday :')

SaN

[Boobs McGee, Esquire]

If he has 40 guardians make a gun line with support platforms with bright lance or missile then take the two wraith lords with scatter lasers and missile launchers then two units of scorpions in the serpents outflanking with twin missile to ruin your day and maybe a fire prism depending on points I have used a list similar to this and come out with some interesting results if he uses this I'd be interested in how he does with it