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Post by emptyhat on Mar 18, 2012 10:12:23 GMT -5
I was playing in store the other day facing off against a certain persons Dread and Kan list. The list was fully skewed to walkers and used two Dreads as the only two troop choices.
We were chatting about missions at the start, kill points favoured the Dread list over my infantry driven guard but I said that since Deff Dreads were vehicles they couldn’t control objectives; this was what I had been lead to believe when I was reading about people’s opinions on them at any rate.
Whilst we were chatting about it the red shirt in the store said that that wasn’t the case and used an example about Grey Knights to back up his points. I didn’t really follow it because I thought that playing it that way solved our mission problem quite nicely and to be honest Deff Dreads probably do need a little something more to make them worthwhile.
T hat said could anyone explain this to me? Was I just mistaken about troop choice walkers holding objectives and being a scoring unit? Any idea why the Grey Knight Codex (which I have not read) provides an example of this?
Thanks. empty~
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Post by Empirespy on Mar 18, 2012 10:24:05 GMT -5
I can see no reason why they can, it says in the BRB p90, that a vehicle cannot hold an objective. And I haven't got the GK book but from the couple times I've skimmed it I haven't seen anything like it. The only thing like that is the grandmasters ability to make D3 vehicles and monstrous creatures scoring, but that is entirely different altogether. I would say they wouldn't be souring units, but I will see what everyone else has to say before I pass definite judgement. -Empirespy
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Post by WestRider on Mar 18, 2012 12:37:48 GMT -5
Grey Knight Grandmasters have a Special Rule that explicitly turns a Unit into a Scoring Unit, regardless of any other factors. It's even been covered in the FAQ that it applies to their Dreads. It doesn't make the Dread a Troops Choice, it just flat-out makes it Scoring.
Deff Dredds that have been made into Troops have no such exemption. They're no more a Scoring Unit than a Trukk that was purchased as a Transport for a Boyz Mob is.
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Post by destroyerlord on Mar 18, 2012 16:49:05 GMT -5
There are things that specify that they make the unit scoring, there are also rules that state certain things just can NOT cliam objectives! Vehicles JUST cannot claim objectives the same as swarms.
The Gay Knights as stated above can make a unit a scoring unit even though its not a troop choice, a deffdred is a vehicle and thus can not claim. Its just designed to allow the MEK led force to be more MEK. The idea is to allow for 6 killer kans and 3 deffdreds in the list. I have a dred in my ork list but I have never tried to pull that it can claim!!!
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 18, 2012 23:50:38 GMT -5
Sounds like that answers that.
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Post by treadiculous on Mar 19, 2012 3:10:01 GMT -5
Good to know, since it was I that was the certain person!
I was unsure on the day of the game and didn't know what the ruling was either... the fact that the red shirt gave an answer allowed us to get on with our hillarious game in which objectives played little part anyway!
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Post by krasimirova on Mar 19, 2012 3:47:00 GMT -5
Well it is "only" walkers, not vehicles that unyielding anvil makes scoring.. So you can't do it to a Landraider or a Rhino so BRB p90 is still in effect.. *And MC's can be scoring and have been able to be scoring for quite some time..
And it is spelled Grey Knights Destroyerlord, calling them what you call them is simply childish and quite annoying, the army is powerfull but we play guard, so shouldn't complain...
Kras..
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Post by destroyerlord on Mar 19, 2012 16:01:18 GMT -5
Its a bit of a club joke cos the guy who has them has painted them in efeminate colours and usually forms them into lines and says they are doing the conga. He also pretty much always loses. Sorry if I caused any offence, none was meant.
Tervigons are a regular appearance in nid lists as they can sit on an objective and produce more units to claim other objectives.
There is something in another book and I cant remember which army but it basically allows you to take a unit and they become scoring but not troops! Its been driving me mad since I saw this thread!
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Post by treadiculous on Mar 20, 2012 18:39:58 GMT -5
The Green Tide Ork Apocalypse Formation becomes scoring but isn't troops... well, only the warboss, but the ruling exists that units can be classed as scoring which are not actually troops... but I can't think of an over-ruling whcih states a vehicle can score.
I had just assumed that since they took the FOC position they also gained the scoring ability... it was neither here nor there because the game wasn't really about winning or objectives but would be interesting to know from an official point of view. (It could potentially affect how I compose my Ork army lists).
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 20, 2012 22:27:14 GMT -5
What Tread said. I thought that given that they were already troops and that walkers are infantry in several respects that perhaps there had been an FAQ that had updated all the units like them. Of course I wanted to find out before I next played as Orks and I didn't want to read the Grey Knights codex or hunt around too much. But on the day the game was a lot more fun because we nominated a couple of psuedo objectives and said the Dreads could score. We were both trying to wipe the board clear as a primary and it was only when we ran short on time that the objectives showed their worth. Fun was had then. Clarity is gained now. Doubt is almost always reasonable.
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