Adding 500 to 1k Orks

[treadiculous]

I am trying to find a nice combo to add to my current 1k list of Orks.

My gaming circle of mates is used to my horde guard so I am trying to be more varied and field an interesting Ork list. I'm facing mech-Eldar with walkers, Dread Heavy Marines, Horde Barrage Guard, Kroot Cult GeneStealers with 6 MC's and Skaven (which play a lot like Eldar). .. yes, they have weird armies.

I will also possibly be taking this list to my local GW where it might encounter horrible grey knight / blood angel / space wolf / etc etc lists of doom.. but I expect to lose these games and just be good sport

So far I am fielding:

Warboss + Attack Squig + Big Choppa
10 Nobs + Big Choppa inc Painboy
Big Mek + Kustom Force Field

20 Boys inc Nob + Klaw
20 Boys inc Nob + Klaw

3 x Rokkit Buggies
3 x Rokkit Buggies


I am trying to increase the amount of anti-tank without over investing in toys.

Currently I am thinking along lines of:

Looted 'Flame' Wagon + Skorcha + 5 Burna Boys (3ff3cts effect, and I've not met 'im yet!)

3 Rokkit Killa Kans

Battlewagon + Kill Kannon

Deffkopta + TL Rokkits + Buzzsaw


The Battlewagon is a points sink, but I really want to field the model I have to represent it. (see GGVI - Santa).. it would be used to transport the Nobs and HQs forward so would have 4+ KFF savev, but suffers from having priority target written all over it. ( I also don't believe that Orks should be firing large templates at tanks, they are much better crowd control).

The Flame Wagon seems a great idea and fits well.

Rokkit Kans are durable, and more accurate.. but I am trying to move away from kans as I seem much too frequent a feature in my Ork lists (but admittedly work well with the footsloggers)

... I am tempted to go for a looted wagon with Boom gun instead... the large S8 blast would be great at dealing with whatever comes out of a transport and large quantities of infantry in general. (saves me a few points for the boss's wagon too).

.. I am also tempted to put some Tank Bustas into the list, since they do exactly what I need!... (they would probably follow the Killkannon wagon and jump in after the nobz got out).

The Deffkopta is an as yet untried tactic - the scout 24" (3+ save) in the pre-turn sequence then assault 12" 1st turn vs a vehicle which hasn't had the chance to move and auto hit rear armour with S8 buzzsaw sounds good... plus hit and run so he can leggit afterwards is a bonus...

I do feel slightly low on troop units (the Nobs count as troops due to the warboss ability), maybe a small unit of grots for backfield camping?...


other options that are rattling round me noggin are:

3 battle wagons with red paint, 2 with deffrollas for the 20 strong boy units and 1 with killkannon for the nobz... leaving around 100 points

3 lots of boys in trukks

or lots more boys

arrg!.. I am useless at decisions! (and spelling).



ps.. is 3 nobs with combi-skorchas better than 5 burna boys?

[destroyerlord]

IIRC the BW taken for Nobs cant have the big gun!

The Deffkopta trick is a good 1 but you missed 6" off its range! Scout 24" move 12" assault 6".

I run a mek with 19 boys in a BW, then 3 mobs of boys in trukks (shootas + BS + nob with PK) Then I use a Bike Boss and nobs mob and 2 bike mobs.

I would say go for the trukk mobs. They are loads of fun and if you make them shoota boy then you can do some amazing drive by shooting!

[emptyhat]

I think he only has 3 heavy support choices there so the battlewagon can be one of those rather than a dedicated transport.

I think both these lists sound good so give them both a go.

[treadiculous]

I have a game on wednesday.. vs highly Mech Skaven. (lots of small units in vehicles of AV 10, 11 and 12).

I have slowly formed on this:

Kill Wagon (Battlewagon + Ard Case)
Flame Wagon (5 Burnas + Looted Wagon with Skorcha)
Flame Wagon (5 Burnas + Looted Wagon with Skorcha)
Deff Dread + 2 Big Shoota

I'm wondering whether to put some Tank Bustas in the Looted Wagons - they can fire 5 rokkits and then when the transport goes bang the wagon can fire its skorcha at the suddenly exposed squishies.

.. or just keep to mega burny flamey stuff!

[bomberman]

Have you thought about bikes? Even just 3 including an nob and klaw is an effective tank hunter.

I'd go with the tank bustas if you know you'll be facing lots of tanks, unless you reckon the buggies will deal with them.

[treadiculous]

- Destroyer Lord...

Have you much experience with Trukks with Boarding Planks?... since you can shoot a different target and then attack with a powerklaw vs the vehicle you are parked by it seems they're a cool means to get some anti-tank hits in (especially since it counts as rear armour unless they're walkers, and walkers can't fight back at the Nob - only the trukk).. seems like they might be a mean trick to pull, with the added bonus of being scoring.

I guess I'm not facing that many vehicles, around 6 at most... I'm trying to get this list to work vs all my local players armies, so while I mainly play against mechanised elite forces, the kroot + genestealer horde means I may be wiser to stick to the burnas! (plus relying on small numbers of Orks to shoot stuff is foolish)....


- Bommerman...

Its not the tanks that are the problem, its the AV13 ironclad-like thing that is causing me a head ache!.. its ability to always face the attacker in assaults and deliver instant death to warboss / nobs with klaws is an issue... I can only hope to shoot it from behind or attack with another dread.


one interesting concept is the Skorcha Nobs vs Burna boys - which i might give a seperate thread...



--- Edit ---

Having been succesfully convinced to run burna buggies I will now field this list:

Warboss + Big Choppa
10 Nobs + Big Choppa inc Painboy + Waargh Banner
Big Mek + Kustom Force Field

20 Boys inc Nob + Klaw
20 Boys inc Nob + Klaw

3 x Rokkit Buggies
3 x Skorcha Buggies

Deff Dred + 2 Big Shoota
Deff Dred + Big Shoota + Skorcha

Battlewagon + Kill Kannon + Red Paint Job + 2 Big Shoota
Battlewagon + 4 Rokkits + Kannon + Ard Case

I feel I will be using the KFF to more advantage here, and have put lot more durability into play. I plan to field the infantry behind the wall of walkers while the buggies tear up the flanks. The wagons will distract the big guns so my Dreds will get into range and tear up the armour.

I note Rokkit Kans would be a good choice, and that I have lost a unit of rokkit buggies for the skorcha buggies but I have wanted to field the 2 battlewagons for a while now and my Kans always fall to bits during transport. (the survivability of models is a major factor in this list). I have also played infantry only gaurd for a long time, so fielding feth-off big tanks and klanking deff dreds has an appeal. (I'm also trying to play WYSIWYG with my model collection, which was made aesthitcally rather than competitively).

I'm not sure how this will work vs Eldar Wraithlod + Avatar combo (I guess I'll just have to send the nobs at it, and avoid my walkers getting caught up in it)... against the Stealer / Kroot the hordes main threat is the broodlords and the great knarlocs (though plain stealers are really nasty too! - I'll just have to make sure I get the charge!).


--- Further Edit ----

I played this list last night... it worked very well with the exception of the Battlewagons which did nothing!.. they didn't draw any fire either as my opponent was put off by the formidibly high armour value. I am going to reconsider their use for next time, probably swapping the rokkit and kannon load out for 3 rokkit kans.