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Post by Rook on Apr 19, 2012 14:27:01 GMT -5
You know what so irksome? I essentially roleplayed myself and end up getting killed.
How is that fair? I really would protect myself with a framing hammer. If I didn't have one of my many pistols that is.
I am looking forward to the next one.
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Post by Soap on Apr 19, 2012 15:10:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't have killed you Rook Did anyone from the first game feel compassion to others who played the first? I think I did, but not too much though
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Post by Rook on Apr 19, 2012 15:24:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't have killed you Rook Did anyone from the first game feel compassion to others who played the first? I think I did, but not too much though I like you as a teammate, Soap. No telling what the next game will bring though.
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Post by Soap on Apr 19, 2012 15:34:27 GMT -5
I just want to survive a game lol!
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Apr 19, 2012 15:58:57 GMT -5
The Imperials we're exceptionally lucky with there choices in both nights, I was hoping they would kill each other.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 19, 2012 18:08:10 GMT -5
So Walrus prevented Soap from getting lynched in Day 2 and I stopped F.K.M from hanging. Wonderful. Yes and no. I think it ticks at the end of the day so if votes are changed it matters. The votes stuck with you at the end. Also thank you walrus for letting soap live and emptyhat for letting me live. Moral victory for chaos anyway. A dead inquisitor is always a good thing and the fact walrus had a hand in it means you guys would've probably been killed and tortured for it anyway. Soap: I meant dave was cultist bait. Paimon: So either emptyhat was doctor who or he'd have used the line "i'm a doctor not a brick-layer" or something to that effect? I felt bad about empty dying until he was revealed to be an inquisitor. After that i laughed my ass off. Funniest part in the game if you were a traitor.
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Post by Paimon on Apr 19, 2012 18:34:07 GMT -5
Like I said just before the end of the day, you can't claim to be some sort of law enforcement and expect to live. The cop role is one of the most powerful, and useful to the town. I figured that, assuming that everyone was telling the truth about their character the roles were
Because I was a daemonhost, I didn't know what the standard character card looked like, so I wasn't sure how much fluff people were actually given for their characters. This was why I was so hesitant to reply to the original request for everyone to say who they were. I wanted to see what kind of thing that other people were claiming.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 19, 2012 19:03:02 GMT -5
Well this was my first game of this rpg ever so i think i did rather well for it and i ended up living quite a long time. I feel good only walrus lived but i'd have rather had a chaos victory.
I was waiting so hard to have an epic put shades over eyes walking into the bloody sunset of chaos with laughter of chaos gods saying "I bet tzeentch enjoyed that one" and revealing to a shocked crowd i was chaos. I also imagined i was leading you all on at the tip of my finger. If i hadn't protected soap and empty my loyalty never would've been questioned much even with walrus's coin flip of bull crap and the imperial's insane luck.
I know i sound like a sore loser but i can't help but feel i was cheated a victory that chaos should've gotten. There wasn't even a way to really change that outcome. Once night ticked in i couldn't say anything and was auto-dead and you guys really shouldn't go on what is said in the OCC thread. You made up character shouldn't have info your real self has but meh i suppose we messed up too. Surprised how hard it is to be chaos. I was possibly going to claim to be an imperial agent or inquisitorial agent in the end too if there was a day 3. It's really too bad. The game ended way too fast.
Finally the fact every imperial player can kill somebody is pretty lame. All cultists combined can only kill one person a night. That's all we get other than knowing who we all are. We also had our daemonhost killed on day one and still lynched your inquisitor. I feel that end was almost inescapeable because i found out your kills were probably based upon your own character's choices too late (though it's obvious). I think it's a bit lame you guys had so many powers. Sure we all know who we are but we had to hide ourselves, get you to kill yourselves, only kill a person a night while you could kill us many times over, etc. All things considered we were totally at a disadvantage.
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Post by Wraelis on Apr 19, 2012 19:16:02 GMT -5
Rook: I loved the whole framing hammer thing, really made me laugh. But you were just too crazy, stirring up far too much.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 19, 2012 19:38:48 GMT -5
Rook shouldn't have said that he 'sarcastically' called dave a cultist. It basically threw off a red light as big as the sun. Even if the day didn't end i could've thrown together an alibi for rook right there telling rook to say that he was being sarcastic about what dave said about him. Like as if he was a traitor and laughing at the idea and saying it sarcastically.
As for moves we made i told our team never to act in concert together and to at least hate and like different people including ourselves. Basically divide and conquer during the day and combine and conquer at night. We were also going to kill threats but also people that other characters didn't like so as to make them look chaos. I had so very many plans and shared them with my 2 buddies via pm's. I figured that was legal as we were all in a group but i didn't want to end the game. Once rook died though we didn't share much info with him as it felt against the game. We figured wraelis wanted soap dead and walrus wanted me dead. Honestly i didn't think imperials would get an auto-win tonight. That was very lame actually. An even footing day 3 with the priest as the decider of who was innocent was what i'd hoped at worst or soap against wraelis and walrus was another thing i feared. Too late now though. Not to be full of myself but i think i could have psychologically female dog-slapped both walrus and wraelis and won the game if i got to lynch and sacrifice them and was the only one left vs the two of them. Really they just got lucky they voted so well on night 2. I was willing to fix up my story even better to prove even more innocence. Once again this is why i hated emptyhat's death as he probably would've put a stop to you imperial goody-goods which is ironic considering he's an inquisitor.
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Post by Paimon on Apr 19, 2012 20:27:30 GMT -5
I think that we would benefit from some mafia stuff being lifted from another forum that I've played on:
PROTOWN: These people are trying to make the town win
Cop The cop at night can investigate one person. They are told what alignment they are.
The exception to this is if you have a special cop role. When you are not in a vanilla game, when assigned a role of cop, keep in mind that you could be any of the following DIFFERENT COPS
Sane Cop This is a normal cop
Insane cop Always gets the WRONG result
Naive cop Always gets an innocent result
Paranoid cop Always get Guilty verdict
Crazy Cop If given a random result
Doctor The doctor can choose one person a night to protect from a night kill. This protects the person from Mafia kill OR any other kill. Doctor may NOT protect themselves.
Vigilante The vigilante can target one person a night to kill. They are trying to hit the mafia
RoleBlocker The RB chooses one person per night, that person's night activity is blocked
Masons The masons are a secret organization (pro town) that can communicate at night. Also some masons can recruit. Which means once a night they can invite somone into the masons, making their team grow. BEWARE THEY MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY INVITE A MAFIA. They win when they control half of the votes, and have no mafia infiltration.
Miller The opposite of a Godfather. A townie who, when investigated (by a sane investigation, of course) will show up as scum. Unlucky.
INDEPENDENTS These people are not pro town or pro mafia, they are out to help themselves
Jester The Jester is TRYING to get lynched. They win when they are lynched (NOT night killed)
Serial Killer The SK kills once a night, and is trying to be the last person left alive
Cult This is a group of independents who can communicate by PMs at night. This is like the scum version of the masons. They can sometimes recruit. So every night they gain a new member. Once they control half the votes they win.
PRO MAFIA These people want the mafia to win
Godfather This is the leader of the mafia, they appear pro town to cops
the LINGO
LYLO = Lynch or lose. This means that unless the town lynch a mafia, they will lose during the night. WIFOM = Wine in front of me. This is kinda like a bluff. This comes from the princess bride: "But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me." So pretty much WIFOM is a double bluff. Here is an example.
Some dude wrote: Hey, let's lynch Mr. X! Suspicious chick wrote: Um, Mr. X is a confirmed townie. You sound like Mafia now. The first dude wrote: Oh, I didn't see that. But seriously, I wouldn't be so obvious about it if I were scum, would I? The persistently suspicious chick wrote: Perhaps you're scum trying to convince me you're not scum by saying something so blatantly scummy that no one who is actually scum would be dumb enough to say it. Now confused (noob) dude wrote: Wait, what? The smugly suspicious chick wrote: WIFOM. Vote: That Dude
EBWOP = Edit by way of post. Because you can not edit posts, you can just type this and double post to clarify your previous post.
OMGUS = OH MY GOD YOU SUCK! This is usually said when the following happens. Person x votes for person y. Person Y then yells OMGUS and votes for person x. Hammer= This is the last person who votes for a lynch, who thereby reaches a majority. Or it can be an adjective describing that person or that vote. Also, the action of posting the hammer vote.
Various strategies that are well known.
Follow the cop
This is when one player role claims cop, and then if no one counter claims, everyone just trusts him. THIS IS BAD, BUT HAPPENS ALL THE BLOODY TIME! The problem is that this paints a HUGE target onto this person's head
Double claim
When a double claim happens (when 2 people claim to be the same thing) we generally lynch one of them, if they are town, we then lynch the other one. This is a very sacrificial way of doing things. Using logic is a much better way to get past this. Like seeing who is being more suspicious
Gojoe's false claim
Everyone always gives false role claims a bad connotation. Gojoe's false role claim is a good one! It is when a vanilla townie claims to be a power role. This does a few things. First off if no one counter claims, the mafia will focus on trying to kill off a vanilla townie (because they think they are a power role). The person that does a Gojoe should then try to figure out who actually has the role they are claiming to have, so that they can back them up.
WIFOMIFOYIFOM
Wine in front of me in front of you in front of me. This is when you claim that everything that is going on is clearly WIFOM. Or when something looks like WIFOM, it could be WIFOMIFOY, and then again that could be WIFOMIFOYIFM.... etc
Mafia helping the town
This is when the main person leading the investigations on people (eg writing the most (im looking at you cf)) is actually mafia. This happens all the time. The only problem is that if you lynch this person, sometimes, the game stops.
Mafia WIFOM
This is when the mafia "jokingly"says they are mafia, assuming you will think it is WIFOM. Be wary of jokes that may not be jokes.
Babam
Accidentally mis read pm's and then correct yourself... This is not a good strategy, I am going to assume baba simply can not read... BABAM CAN NEVER EVER MOD!
Muddy waters
This is a strategy where the first day, you have to pretty much kill someone who causes confusion. So even if you hit a townie, you at least get rid of someone that causes confusion no matter what role they are. This is a pessimistic way of looking at things, and a bit unfair on the player who gets this done to them. (az001 and I like to joke around....) use sparingly
STOP LURKING
This is the strategy that the game will stop going forward if we kill off the active people, so we do the opposite. Lynch the bloody lurkers! MaJ has posted a summary here as to why this is a viable solution.
FoS
Finger of suspicion. It is a way of saying who you think is the most suspicion. It does NOT count as a vote, but it does let other players know who you think is suspicious.
The rules as posted in the other forum: Mafia, also known as Werewolf (to infidels, we shall not speak of them), is a game originating in real life, but adapted for a forum setting. Basically, you have a small village of innocent people, but hidden among them is a group of nasty mafiosos, whose sole goal is to have at least 50% of the population belong to their organization so that they can control the lynch-votes. Since they cannot recruit people, the only way to achieve this is bloody murder, but not more than one per night. The rest of the town uses their deductive abilities, along with some special roles, to find these infiltrators and lynch them.
To Vote: You must bold it, if you don't and I miss it, not my fault! It should also be on a separate line such as: Vote: AngrySquirrel
If you want to change a vote, do it in this manner: Unvote: AngrySquirrel Vote: OneoftheDragon
Night—when everything else happens: People with night-time powers send in their night actions and discuss among themselves etc.
Rules: 1. Do not talk about the game outside this thread. 2. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE GAME OUTSIDE THIS THREAD. (Unless you spoiler it in the discussion thread, or really, really want to, you are only shooting yourself in the foot.) 3. Please stay on topic. (Or not.). 4. Don't lurk. If you need a replacement let me know and I'll fix it. If you go away for more than a whole day/night without letting me know, you will be modkilled. 5. If you aren't part of the game, please post in a separate, forbidden to players, thread for outside analysis. 6. Once I say that it's nighttime, do not post in the thread AT ALL. Minor off topicness will be tolerated but please, do not discuss the game during night. 7. If you die, don't say anything for the rest of the game except a simple, "Bah, you got me," or "Urrghh" which reveals no information. Seriously, dead people, you are dead, stay that way. YOU ARE DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD! 8. You may not post verbatim or quote from your role PM. Paraphrasing is fine. YOU MAY NOT QUOTE YOUR ROLE PM, anyone who does anything even close to this will be publicly executed. 9. You may not edit your posts. This is to preempt the possibility of cheating by sending messages to other people and then editing them out. Or a for a number of other reasons. DON'T EDIT. 10. Do not assume the game is over until one of the mods say it is.
TL;DR:
There is none, read it!
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Post by Wraelis on Apr 19, 2012 20:41:43 GMT -5
Paimon and FKM: it's still definitely a work in progress thing I feel. Last one really favored the imperials, this one not quite as much, though in all honesty they seemed to have more offensive power. The next one, I'm sure, will be completely awesome. Recruit everyone you can. The more people the better
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Post by Rook on Apr 20, 2012 4:05:59 GMT -5
Rook: I loved the whole framing hammer thing, really made me laugh. But you were just too crazy, stirring up far too much. There was a time in my life when I actually used one of those all damn day. You get very comfortable with that thing in your hand. I was trying to come from a "working man's" point of view but I put too much of myself in the role. In reality I do tend to stir things up and act a little crazy.
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Post by Rook on Apr 20, 2012 4:07:02 GMT -5
Rook shouldn't have said that he 'sarcastically' called dave a cultist. It basically threw off a red light as big as the sun. Even if the day didn't end i could've thrown together an alibi for rook right there telling rook to say that he was being sarcastic about what dave said about him. Like as if he was a traitor and laughing at the idea and saying it sarcastically. You are entirely too butthurt over that one line I typed. Drop it.
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Post by Soap on Apr 20, 2012 6:18:25 GMT -5
Fighting talk where I'm from rook! Lol
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 20, 2012 10:30:41 GMT -5
Rook shouldn't have said that he 'sarcastically' called dave a cultist. It basically threw off a red light as big as the sun. Even if the day didn't end i could've thrown together an alibi for rook right there telling rook to say that he was being sarcastic about what dave said about him. Like as if he was a traitor and laughing at the idea and saying it sarcastically. You are entirely too butthurt over that one line I typed. Drop it. Yeah i guess i'm just bummed and being a bit of a sore loser. Just feel we should've won that game you know.
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Post by Soap on Apr 20, 2012 13:07:30 GMT -5
But a gunslinger obviously gets advantage in one on one shooting, and with a sniper covering him we had no chance. Maybe the smart move would have been not to target anyone during the night.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 20, 2012 13:15:07 GMT -5
Soap: Maybe but they were probably gunning for you. Remember they were also searching for us so not searching for them means they'd have probably just killed us without dying as well. Maybe walrus would've been the right choice. Honestly i think once day 2 ended and everything was said and done we weren't allowed to change our cases. We couldn't say anything else about walrus or wraelis and i would've destroyed walrus's rep esp. since until then he had no confirmed kills on night 1 and could've lied about day 2. Really the smart move would've been to draw more attention to you but the problem is that could've gotten you lynched. However if emptyhat got lynched and they both went after you during the night then we would've gotten away with me at least and then it would've been walrus and myself in the end. Really i'm surprised wraelis was suspicious of me. Why didn't he vote to kill you? Was it something i said in this thread to make myself sound suspicious? Your characters have no knowledge of what your real life self should know you know. I think it was because i couldn't stop laughing they killed an inquisitor. I would've said i was an inquisitorial agent or imperial agent the next day if i was alive if there was any doubt left.
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Post by Wraelis on Apr 20, 2012 14:01:23 GMT -5
Nah, wasn't just a random guess on you FKM. Both you and empty didn't want a lynch that day. I knew one of you had to be cult. After we lynched empty I knew it had to be you that was the cultist
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 20, 2012 14:05:46 GMT -5
Wait so not wanting a lynch that day equals cult? Maybe i just didn't want to lynch a potential buddy and thought somebody else was bad. No lynch doesn't equal bad for you it equals bad for cult. Look at the night results. If anything it hurt us more than helped us. If anything your want of killing an inquisitor equaled a cultist. My understanding of your logic is that your logic is flawed here. No offense it just doesn't make sense to me. Our plans didn't follow a set path. Walrus didn't even kill anybody on night 1. For all you know after his buddy revealed he was basically a cop and he died it very well was possible walrus stole his identity and conveniently didn't kill anybody or get seen on night 1. Really if anything my story was still pretty flawless from your standpoint.
It makes even less sense that walrus wanted to kill his bestest buddy. If anything it would've made more sense had your choices been switched. Walrus was suspicious of me and you were suspicious of soap.
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Post by Paimon on Apr 20, 2012 14:42:14 GMT -5
No lynch is pretty much always the wrong choice. In a game where the town has as many, or more kills than scum, that is not as true, but it's pretty much the only way that the town can win. Skipping it means that scum have an advantage.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 20, 2012 14:47:29 GMT -5
Well yeah and why would i want to save empty. I just thought my vote wouldn't go through and the day would end with 3 FKM votes. Better a no vote than an accidental vote against me that was never undone.
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Post by Soap on Apr 25, 2012 14:00:50 GMT -5
We getting another game on? :-)
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Post by Paimon on Apr 25, 2012 15:39:21 GMT -5
Depending on things, I might be doing something in the near future.
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Post by F.K.M on Apr 25, 2012 17:06:26 GMT -5
Let envoy take my place. You guys are fun and paimon and i seem to be getting along great. I know empty, dave and some others are also pretty good buddies of mine. It's a really nice group but i think i'll sit the next game out. It's all so nerve-wracking and takes my attention away from work and other places i might need it. I'd rather not cut off a tip of my finger while plotting the best way to kill loyalists .
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