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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2007 7:29:28 GMT -5
I ahve to admit that I really like the new rules besides the deamon weapons. I won't use any as long they're two-handed. But that will leave me some poins for other nasty stuff and some more terminators and deamons...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 9:06:23 GMT -5
im sad now... by the looks of things chaos is gonna really suck! i was originally excited about the new chaos stuff and the models look great but the rules are looking pretty sucky. no khornate chainaxes?  !!! Mate, the Khorne Berzerkers are WS5, fearless with Furious Charge and a +1 A! No more Blood Frenzy, no more charging dreadnoughts. I think if anything I would be willing to swap Chain Axes for so much improvement. Lords still have the over-sized armory selection, it's just that it will not be as easy to "cheese" out as the current one. Stop whining, the new changes are terrific!  |
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 25, 2007 1:46:07 GMT -5
ok sorry im not a chaos player, i havent even played a game with them (unless you count the one me and rivinwing played on a cutting mat xD)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 5:33:26 GMT -5
wut? not a chaos player?...and ure allegiance is with them!? wuts this Blasphemy?
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2007 7:09:18 GMT -5
Chainaxes were pretty useless anyways. The only helped against termies and other minis in power armor or Necrons. Against Eldar, Guard and all the other armies they had little use at best...
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 25, 2007 7:16:24 GMT -5
lol, i just liked the look of them xD
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2007 7:49:02 GMT -5
You can still have your Berzerkers model with chainaxes, but just just count as CCW only  And if someone has a reason for whining it's me. They took away my 9 troop choices, my Demagogue ability, and my Accurced Cruzius  |
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 25, 2007 19:37:14 GMT -5
terrible...no really...
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Post by majorjav on Jun 26, 2007 10:33:00 GMT -5
I do not like very much the new rules for Chaos as in my opinion they will loose a bit of their "impredactibility" and the fact that you could "custom" your chaos force...Only one stat for deamons is bad too. Well we will see!
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 27, 2007 4:28:06 GMT -5
hmmm...they are only rumours...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2007 11:27:16 GMT -5
 These had better just be rumors. I just bought 10 bloodletters. And no more blood thirster? That's just stupid. If all this is true, then they need to lower the $50 price of the greater daemons to like $35, and also drop the price of lesser daemons. It would really make no sense at all to have a world eaters army summoning daemonettes onto the battlefield, or to have a Lord Of Change possessing a nurgle champion. Why are defilers fleeting? If they wanted to make rules more simplistic (generic) then they would give the defiler a base to stand on. Instead of calling the new codex Chaos Space Marines, why not just call them like they intend for them to be: Non-loyalist Space Marines. sorry for the gripe, its just that GW has really genericized everything and taken the stradegy out of the game and turned it into a giant roll-off on a D6.
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 29, 2007 22:20:06 GMT -5
yes, 10 bloodletters is about 65 bucks australian is it?
well i just got $190 worth of chaos stuff for my birthdays and another $70 out of my own money so i am a bit annoyed yet soon they will be classics.
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Post by majorjav on Jun 30, 2007 4:20:04 GMT -5
They may give a single entry for deamons and give options to tool them according to your allegiance...
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Post by thefishki345 on Jun 30, 2007 9:43:16 GMT -5
0.o thats nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2007 15:47:44 GMT -5
wow interesting changes.. am not liking that they took away the cults or the specials associated to them..completely changes my tactics for everything since I used to play Slannesh Emperor's Children.. but some of the changes are good *cheaper land raiders * plus I can now take raptors again.. which is nice again.. will have to wait for the book to be released and see what happens to my beloved army then.. and just go from there.. Cheers for the links and information.. Gris |
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Post by thefishki345 on Jul 3, 2007 1:30:35 GMT -5
yeah, this seems good, yet apparently there is a new guard dex coming out to?? sorry to change the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2007 15:12:23 GMT -5
Well, i'm pretty sure i have the release date, you know a freind of a freind that works at Gw, etc.,etc.
Anyways i heard it was going to be september 10 the new codex, shortly followed by the new battle force and more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 16:45:43 GMT -5
I heard the the same, fishki. But I'll tell you one thing...this is going to anger ALOT of loyalist players to chaos. I used to play Eldar until they released the new codex, and I've seen alot less of them in tourneys. If they take away the legion specifics ie:world eaters, Emperor's Children, then I'm out. I couldn't believe they took away Eldar's craftworld, but after seeing it happen, I definately believe chaos will be reduced to nothing more than Space Marines with a few veteran skills. And, do you really think I am going to buy a 25 dollar obliterator, or a 50 dollar box of generic daemons or greater daemon? Even if we DID decide to spend that much on a legion specific daemon, we will probably soon find out a few monthes later when the special rules for daemons and LATD comes out that we can't even use the special rules for them because they will probably reintroduce the ancient enemies rule. I don't mean to sound upset about all this, but a good 2000 point 40k army runs anywhere from 300-500 bucks and sometimes more. And I get mad when I find out that my money went to something that would soon someday be worthless to me. The old codex was just fine.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jul 28, 2007 5:24:52 GMT -5
Currently the strongest race are the Eldar are the strongest army around. And soon this will be chaos. I've talked to some of the red shirts and they confirmed some of the rumors and aren't totally happy with the changes, as chaos will be stronger then ever and unbeatable for races with older codices.
Some of the changes are:
- very strong Thousand Sons and Death Guard marines everyone will be able to use as troop choices
- the undivided legions aren't in the codex anymore (so no special rules for Word Bearers, Night Lords, Black Legion, Iron Warriors, and Alpha Legion)
- the 4 cult legions have their own kind of troops, but everyone may field them as troop choices, but they're really expensive but really good as well (except Noise Marines)
- your commander can have any mark, but you can field any kind of marine (marked or unmarked = Ancient Enemy rule dropped)
(1 Thousand Son/Khorne Berzerk/Plague Marine is worth about as much as 2 normal SMurfs)
PS: Please note that it's just what I got from listening to the red shirts complaining about the Codex:Chaos so there is no guarantee that these info is true. So just treat this as rumors
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Post by thefishki345 on Jul 29, 2007 5:43:19 GMT -5
mmm, well that sucks no undivided!!!!!!!
GW is really urineing me off.
edit: LOL profanity filter!
the reason why GW is as the filter says "urineing" me off is because apparently they keep screwing up everyones armies and stuff, GW just dont get it, dont they realise that most people thing warhammer is for nerds and they are losing lots of people from that, and to top it all off they are losing players because of their rule changes and the price of everything, its like
"SWEET! I just bought $500 worth of "insert army name here" sets!"
*you read white dwarf and find out they are releasing new models and new rulebooks and you find you cant buy the new codex cos of lack of funds etc* and to top it all of you do a search to find out about the new rules and find that your army is totally useless now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2007 22:30:29 GMT -5
Well, fishki, i can see where you are coming from, but the thing is that they already have 11 armies, and they can't update them too fast and they know that. GW isn't dumb, they know they can't rush rule changes and updates, if you notice updates don't happen that fast, at least for the same army. After this chaos update, it probably won't be done for a good few years again. I can see people, purchasing a whole army at once (which to me seems like a bad idea in the first place) and then a week later learn that they are updating. But they give people a good amount of time to collect an army and have time to use it, it is all in the timing you buy your stuff. People shoulden't blame GW for updating armies and the game to try to make it more enjoyable and interesting. I don't think they are losing any business for updates, on the other hand i think they may be getting more people into the game. When the eldar were redone and the DA were also redone the number of people playing those armies shot through the roof! I think it also may happen with the new chaos army.
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Post by thefishki345 on Jul 30, 2007 5:01:33 GMT -5
ya true, and that is what happened to me with the whole army thing, but they wiill lose a few people from updates and stuff.
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Post by sammy1979 on Aug 2, 2007 4:26:37 GMT -5
dont worry we've seen all this change before just ride it out fishki or alternently go to rule one of 40k there just guide lines create your own fluff using a made up choas filth warmaster then just sort out your legion the way you want it remeber choas is naturally eratic and choatic so you can do what you want with it mix whatever units you want and argue about it after. and if you get a raw head saying you cant do what you want tell them to aplly rule one unless your a tornament player its not going to be a drama. you'll probably find in time you like the new rules i mean i still field my old stormtroopers with auto guns just use the hell gun rules no one has yet to complain. just represent its choas after all do what you want.
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Post by thefishki345 on Aug 2, 2007 6:27:15 GMT -5
yeah true and yeah, but chaos didnt seem like it needed an update, are they saving stuff like orkz for a special occasion?
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Aug 2, 2007 6:59:48 GMT -5
I hope not. If they don't change anything with the new codex chaos they need to make them ASAP or orks will never have chance vs chaos. It's already hard for orks to win vs SM or Eldar. But CSM will be unbeatable after the codex is released
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