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Post by gamma016 on Dec 13, 2012 9:46:31 GMT -5
I've been reading over the IG codex and was wondering if the conscripts need to be in chenkovs platoon to be able to get the send in the next wave. Also if so and I have a squad of conscripts and use Al'Rahama when bring in a new squad of conscripts using send in the next wave can they outflank? This just seems like a kinda greasy thing to do if you have a footslogger army list.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Dec 13, 2012 11:21:40 GMT -5
You can get Send in the Next Wave for any Conscript unit in your army, but when you use that ability they always arrive on your long table edge.
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Post by Empirespy on Dec 13, 2012 12:24:37 GMT -5
You do need commander Chenkov in your army, it says so in the list quite clearly, and because of this the Alrahaman tactic wouldn't work...
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Post by gamma016 on Dec 13, 2012 14:05:42 GMT -5
You can take both Al'Rahama and Chenkov you just need to take two platoons
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Post by Trickstick on Dec 13, 2012 18:44:56 GMT -5
You can take both Al'Rahama and Chenkov you just need to take two platoons Yup, no problem with that. Also, Al'rahem's conscripts would be forced to outflank with him. However, any SitNW conscripts come on from your own board edge, even Al'rahem's. |
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Post by Empirespy on Dec 14, 2012 12:25:50 GMT -5
Sorry, I thought you had to be in Chenkov's platoon to gain send in the next wave, but I agree with Trick, though all parts of Al'haram's squad must outflank, the new unit is not part of that platoon, as it is coming on at a different time and has it's own rules for coming on.
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Post by gamma016 on Dec 15, 2012 1:55:40 GMT -5
Empirespy, I disagree with your idea that the new conscript squad would no longer be a part of the original platoon. And yeah I wasn't sure which deployment method would supersede the other only because the send in the next wave rule says they come in at your boards edge, but Al'Rahama's special rule says all parts of his unit must outflank.
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Post by WestRider on Dec 15, 2012 12:06:01 GMT -5
Also, Outflank only applies to first Reserves, not Ongoing Reserves. SitNW doesn't actually use Ongoing Reserves, but it gives us a good precedent for how to resolve the two conflicting Rules.
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Post by Empirespy on Dec 15, 2012 12:36:49 GMT -5
The only reason I would say they are no longer part of the platoon is because all parts of the platoon must outflank at the same time, and they come on at a different time. The other reason is purely my interpretation that the new unit is another wave of conscripts from the reserves coming in on Chenkov's order. I don't have anything concrete to go on, and that was my first feeling on how it should work, but if there is evidence representing your opinion, I would gladly hear it.
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Post by Trickstick on Dec 15, 2012 17:24:42 GMT -5
The key phrase in SitNW is this one:
"The new unit moves onto the board from the players board edge."
This doesn't allow you to outflank as it stipulates exactly where you must come on. If it was phrased "Come from reserve" or something, you would be forced to outflank. The unit is treated as if it has come one from reserve, just that it is after the part telling you where you must come on.
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Post by gamma016 on Dec 15, 2012 18:27:59 GMT -5
Alright thanks, just the wording contradicts each other
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