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Post by treadiculous on Dec 29, 2012 16:05:15 GMT -5
I recall reading that in WW1 infantry would tie bales to the sponson mounts of the tanks thus extending the cover they provided to advancing infantry.
I'm not sure if this was frowned upon as I cannot find any photos of this occurring.
It does seem like a good idea though.. imagine a heavy bolter with a stick down the barrel, then hang some shielding from the stick and you have a mobile wall.
What do you think.. consider that the wall could fold (by moving the sponsons to face forwards) so the tank can go down narrow streets, this would be quite a cool upgrade for foot guard with a few Russ chassis, and not too far fetched given the resourcefulness of men paddling up s@*t creek.
Thus giving a 5+ save (to represent the light weight ad hoc construction) which can extend a few inches on either side... obviously sacrifices the use of the heavy bolter sponson mounts!
(I might photoshop a version of this to illustrate what I'm trying to explain here).
Thoughts welcomed!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 29, 2012 18:39:25 GMT -5
Imagine the ensuing cries of "Modeling for advantage!"  |
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Post by Ponen19 on Dec 29, 2012 18:59:05 GMT -5
Thats a pretty cheap way of giving cover saves. I approve! I wonder how that would work though. Techinically its not against the rules since vehicles provide a certain cover save anyway, just not sure how well liked it would be in tournaments or even casual play, thats a big loop hole to exploit.
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Post by Soap on Dec 29, 2012 19:59:13 GMT -5
Although it makes sense, I think for gaming terms it is like Ponen19 says: a loop hole. And as far as I'm concerned, an abuse of a loop hole is cheating.
That said, I do like the idea, and can very much believe it was a tactic used in WWI. Maybe if house rules where made it would be more welcoming. Points cost, can be destroyed, no bigger than a set size, etc.
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Post by velauzehraptor on Dec 31, 2012 3:13:26 GMT -5
This sounds amazing, you should do it. Have them magnetized so if someone does moan, just detach them.
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Post by hendrik on Dec 31, 2012 5:28:20 GMT -5
Maybe if house rules where made it would be more welcoming. Points cost, can be destroyed, no bigger than a set size, etc. well there is the weapon destroyed result in the damage table ;D |
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Post by Soap on Dec 31, 2012 7:24:08 GMT -5
Well that's one rule down ;-)
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Post by hendrik on Jan 2, 2013 16:42:58 GMT -5
in all honesty there's nothing that can stop you from modelling them this way, think of the possible conversions with a winged hive tyrant, you could model those wings to block line of sight... now gamewise you might not get points for sportmanship so perhaps make them magnetisable so you can change them with normal heavy bolters should your opponent complain about it
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Jan 2, 2013 19:24:17 GMT -5
Before the kit came out, there was also nothing to stop me from modeling a battlewagon with an 8" wide deffrolla. Just because you *can* doesn't mean you *should.* I'm on the bandwagon with Ponen and Soap; smells of cheese to me.
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Post by treadiculous on Jan 3, 2013 6:12:04 GMT -5
As with anything like this, an acceptable house rule needs to be developed.
Once all the players in the locality agree that a new piece of wargear is fair it can then be playtested to fine tune it.
The Gorgon is the closest example to the mobile cover I can think of, it transports 100 men behind a massive drop down assault ramp.
Its the quirky things like this that I like to think about, tactics that have been used in history, or events which have happened in real battles as result of strategic planning, I like that we can get defense lines now, and think we should be able to get mine fields (in apocalypse you can), flame trenches (a wall of flame from point a to point b; provides cover and causes S4 AP5 hit to cross it - can be ignited during shooting phase and lasts 1 turn) and smoke grenades which provide cover for infantry (I think you can get smoke grenades in City Fight), or taking this idea is even further, model smoke onto the battlefield so the more explosions that happen, the harder it gets to see each other!
I guess some example rules for the cover sponsons could be: 15 points per inch up to a maximum 2 inches on either side, so at full load would cost 60 points. cover is 5+. Weapon destroyed means the cover falls to the ground exposing the units behind it.
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Post by Soap on Jan 3, 2013 14:40:01 GMT -5
^ I would agree with that. Seems fair, and at 60pts, your going to be able to match it with something else quite easy (for most army's anyway)
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