Commissar's

[scotti88]

I've never used them before in a sqd, I understand the sqd would get stubborn spec rule. Bare in mind I've played like 2 games and just really learned the basics of the system,I'll soon have 140 men not including officers and non coms. How and where and why should I be using the commissars.

TVM

Massive

[Ponen19]

Blob squads of 30 or more are usually best for Commi's, having that many men run off the board because of a bad leadership roll hurts a lot. Lord Commi's are used similarly but with the added bonus of being about to affect two squads instead of one due to their "Aura of Discipline" ability.

[scotti88]

Ok so I have 2 separate sqds of 30men and they can have just the one lord commi? I take it he'd have to be within a certain distance from them both

[Sgt. Rock]

If you're running any kind of mech infantry, you might also consider putting one on a Chimera-mounted squad, as well. If you run them up and park them on an objective, a commissar might make the difference between holding it and running like scared rabbits.

[WestRider]

Jan 9, 2013 18:56:04 GMT -5 Ponen19 said:

Blob squads of 30 or more are usually best for Commi's, having that many men run off the board because of a bad leadership roll hurts a lot. Lord Commi's are used similarly but with the added bonus of being about to affect two squads instead of one due to their "Aura of Discipline" ability.

The LC passes his Ld on to other Units within 6", but he doesn't make them Stubborn. Only the Unit he's actually Joined to gets Stubborn. Note also that they only get to use his Ld for Morale, Pinning, and Orders Tests, not other Ld Tests, like for Dominate or Indescribable Horror.

[Julian Sharps]

I would definitely suggest giving a blob of any size a commissar, although obviously the larger the blob, the more efficient you'll be about commissar usage.

Currently, I'm experimenting with running a Lord Commissar with a mech platoon, since they'll be operating out of range of my standard.

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blob squad

[grendel]

You can have 2 lords right? For an expensive blob i really like a lord comissar, so any thoughts on if its worth it to take two for two say...30 to 50 man squads. Maybe its better to have just two regular commisars or a lord in one and a regular in another? Stubborn and leadership 10 is a good thing for sure. Then I guess if you can take two LC's ...they arent unique right?...you wouldnt be able to take a CCS which could hurt.

These will most likely be used to wrap vehicles from ymgarls and/or cap objectives.

of course this would be nearing 800 points more or less (assuming carapace and a power weapon/melta bomb for the LC's) but seems durable

[hendrik]

2 lord commisars also means you'll be sending your warlord forward into the fray, a tactical choice of which i personally am not a fan. I always prefer to have my cheap warlord company command squad (cheap command squad + master of ordance hiding somewhere of of line of sight/in heavy cover in order to deny an easy "slay the warlord" point, while keeping a fully optional other HQ choice that doesn't have to worry if it dies in the process of doing what it's supposed to do)

[Julian Sharps]

The problem with that setup is that a normal commissar will do what you need him to do (make sure your troops hold the line) for less than half the cost; the only major performance difference being Ld 9 rather than Ld 10. Generally speaking, you really want a Lord Commissar only for those situations where taking a normal commissar would be inefficient or impossible (such as babysitting Heavy Weapon Squads or Mech platoons).

[grendel]

I see what your saying, that the CCS is pretty damn important and cheap, so how about a 50 man with a lord commisar, a ccs with 5 ten man squads each with a plasma or something, or 2 20 man squads with heavy weapons teams?

I want to use gunnery sgt harker with vets for my other infantry choice...whats best with the infiltrating vets....plasma, melta, flamer, missile launcher, a HVY weapon team, etc?

[grendel]

Jan 9, 2013 22:39:41 GMT -5 Julian Sharps said:

I would definitely suggest giving a blob of any size a commissar, although obviously the larger the blob, the more efficient you'll be about commissar usage.

Currently, I'm experimenting with running a Lord Commissar with a mech platoon, since they'll be operating out of range of my standard.

Platoon standard? I'm confused by what you mean, that just helps your pcs in cc right? Or you mean the commissars ldrshp range?Hows the mech platoon work?

[gamma016]

I'm assuming it' a regimental standard he is ising

[Julian Sharps]

It's a regimental standard. My CCS stays with my foot platoon, which holds objectives and provides covering fire for my advancing units, which include my mech platoon (infantry platoon entirely mounted in Chimeras). Because my mech platoon is intended to operate further upfield, it is almost guaranteed to be out of range of the standard. Additionally, it's too inefficient to use regular commissars for a mech platoon (since you'd need to buy each squad a commissar), so I have a Lord Commissar who rides with the PCS to provide morale support, as well as an anti-armor and counter-assault presence due to his power fist.

[grendel]

I thought the regimental standard (like the medic) only applied to the unit its with, the platoon command squad...you can use it to boost infantry and other units in the platoon???

[vegna]

regimental standard in the codex gives the 1 extra scored wound in close combat to the squad but let's friendly unts within 12" re-roll failed morale and pinning tests.

[glutebite]

Can a regular commissar be attached to conscripts?

[WestRider]

No. To get a Commissar in a Conscript Unit, you have to Join with a Lord Commissar.