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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 8, 2013 17:21:36 GMT -5
Yaay! Tau fishmen finally gettin' some attention. I do hear on the grape vine that tau are very good in 6th due to overwatch and whatnot, but their codex is so antiquated and can be at times very frustrating when organising an army list. Also I really hope they keep markerlight buffs and release plastic pathfinders.
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Post by Hookah, S.C. on Mar 9, 2013 12:42:28 GMT -5
I was hoping the Tau were gonna get Squated out of existence. They are the worse faction. Models that look out of place thematically, and fluff to match.
Goddamn I hate them. They're ok to fight against I guess.
Glad the Eldar are getting an update. I want to use some as allies because I like their models, and painting brightly coloured space elves makes a difference from camo-patterns and muted tones.
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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 9, 2013 20:29:55 GMT -5
Why just because they're not as grimdark as the rest of the galaxy? They just haven't been as fleshed out as much as other factions yet and I like the fluff they have now but I expect them to change it.
How do they not fit thematically? They have their own theme, Hopeful young, naive but knowledgable and united.
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Post by Hookah, S.C. on Mar 9, 2013 21:54:12 GMT -5
Why just because they're not as grimdark as the rest of the galaxy? They just haven't been as fleshed out as much as other factions yet and I like the fluff they have now but I expect them to change it. How do they not fit thematically? They have their own theme, Hopeful young, naive but knowledgable and united. They don't make much sense in the fluff. They've only survived because everyone else is too distracted to defeat them. Also they 'out adapted the nids' Which is just unbelievably stupid. Also did you even read the last sentence you wrote? You answered my question completely. The models look like they belong in Metal Gear Solid. They were only produced to attract the weeaboo market. They exist because of GW's profit motive, nothing more. They barely existed in the fluff beforehand.
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 10, 2013 0:11:48 GMT -5
Why just because they're not as grimdark as the rest of the galaxy? They just haven't been as fleshed out as much as other factions yet and I like the fluff they have now but I expect them to change it. How do they not fit thematically? They have their own theme, Hopeful young, naive but knowledgable and united. They don't make much sense in the fluff. They've only survived because everyone else is too distracted to defeat them. Also they 'out adapted the nids' Which is just unbelievably stupid. Also did you even read the last sentence you wrote? You answered my question completely. The models look like they belong in Metal Gear Solid. They were only produced to attract the weeaboo market. They exist because of GW's profit motive, nothing more. They barely existed in the fluff beforehand. I thought the nids story probably suffered from being shortened in editing but was a fairly good story. The fact that the Tau have a very solid handle on how to use their tech is part of what makes them them.
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Post by Hookah, S.C. on Mar 10, 2013 0:14:01 GMT -5
They don't make much sense in the fluff. They've only survived because everyone else is too distracted to defeat them. Also they 'out adapted the nids' Which is just unbelievably stupid. Also did you even read the last sentence you wrote? You answered my question completely. The models look like they belong in Metal Gear Solid. They were only produced to attract the weeaboo market. They exist because of GW's profit motive, nothing more. They barely existed in the fluff beforehand. I thought the nids story probably suffered from being shortened in editing but was a fairly good story. The fact that the Tau have a very solid handle on how to use their tech is part of what makes them them. I don't mind the Tau having all the shiny tech, but to be out adapting the nids - for whom being able to adapt to any situations through evolution is a major part of their identity - seems just silly.
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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 10, 2013 0:18:22 GMT -5
I'm Sorry, what about the tyranids? But yeah the last line is pretty cheesy. Anyway let me look up weeeoba or whatever that word is hmm... "Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese"
Nope don't get your point; I s'pose they're a little bit inspired by asian culture. In the end citation needed (especially on the profit comment).
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Post by Hookah, S.C. on Mar 10, 2013 1:31:59 GMT -5
I'm Sorry, what about the tyranids? But yeah the last line is pretty cheesy. Anyway let me look up weeeoba or whatever that word is hmm... "Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese" Nope don't get your point; I s'pose they're a little bit inspired by asian culture. In the end citation needed (especially on the profit comment). Well, if you're going to willfully ignore what i'm saying then I cba with this conversation. I'm still gonna think Tau are nuts, and think less of those who play them.
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Post by Paradill on Mar 10, 2013 2:35:02 GMT -5
I'm still gonna think Tau are nuts, As is your right, you are allowed to think what you want. and think less of those who play them. Blatant abuse of the right to think. You would think less of someone based on what army they chose to collect? Most people are originally drawn to a faction based on aesthetics, thinking less of someone based on the fact they think tau look cool is ridiculous. I've been with you up until now, your argument made sense and was well structured. Now it seems like a weak argument based on nothing more than "because I said so". Bad form. I think I might buy a battlesuit..
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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 10, 2013 3:26:42 GMT -5
Pardill, you think tau should be completely scrapped like the poor space dwarfs? I mean if you don't like them just ignore them, they don't ruin the whole universe, do they?
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Post by Paradill on Mar 10, 2013 4:46:17 GMT -5
Pardill, you think tau should be completely scrapped like the poor space dwarfs? I mean if you don't like them just ignore them, they don't ruin the whole universe, do they? No, to clarify, I agree that they were needlessly shovelled into the lore to try and grab a larger demographic (which is what companies do). I also feel they need a compete revamp like the necrons to allow them to fit more smoothly into the existing stuff. For example, currently they have no way of travelling properly through the warp. Their expansion waves will eventually fail because their empire isn't sustainable, meaning they will expand to a point and then stagnate. But hookah is a bit extreme, yes. Now no more derailing, just solid rumours! I heard from my reliable friend that Eldar have been pushed back even further due to an unspecified 'event' possibly along the lines of the eye of terror campaign.
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Post by Hookah, S.C. on Mar 10, 2013 5:01:10 GMT -5
I'm still gonna think Tau are nuts, As is your right, you are allowed to think what you want. and think less of those who play them. Blatant abuse of the right to think. You would think less of someone based on what army they chose to collect? Most people are originally drawn to a faction based on aesthetics, thinking less of someone based on the fact they think tau look cool is ridiculous. I've been with you up until now, your argument made sense and was well structured. Now it seems like a weak argument based on nothing more than "because I said so". Bad form. I think I might buy a battlesuit.. Eh, it's a personal thing. I just really despise Tau players. Probably because in my experience they have always been just the worse people.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 10, 2013 18:41:04 GMT -5
Hmm... Weren't Tau originally released at the same time that GW officially established a presence in Japan? I distinctly remember references being made to mecha and Gundam in WD when they were first announced.
Coincidence?
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Despite being into Gundam and other awesome anime for most of my life, I actually have never seriously collected Tau. Probably because the Battlesuits just looked awful. Will be interested to see if they're getting a complete resculpt to look better. I think I got a few random sprues of Tau from eBay years ago that I was going to use in a diorama which never materialised...
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Post by emptyhat on Mar 10, 2013 19:21:53 GMT -5
GW: Ok we need a new 40k faction to draw in new players and keep things fresh.
Proposition 1: A new Space Marine Faction. Proposition 2: A new faction based of off a fantasy army. Proposition 3: A new faction that updates our sci fi universe to some of the ideas that have become popular since the 80s and will encourage more people to play who might not have played before thus giving our existing customers new people to play against.
Yeah, they clearly picked the wrong option.
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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 10, 2013 19:48:50 GMT -5
From reading it seems there is a new eldar rank: Xentarch or could be a replacement for exarch.
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Post by chapwilliams on Mar 10, 2013 20:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by dougeye on Mar 11, 2013 4:04:51 GMT -5
legendary units for the win! everyone deserves a centrepiece!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 11, 2013 14:27:59 GMT -5
Excellent to hear that the Apocalypse reboot rumors I heard a while back seem to be panning out. Sad to hear that there likely won't be a plastic T-hawk. C'mon GW get on the ball, stop giving up Derpmuhreen flyers and give us the real one, and don't derp it up! Interesting about the potential for a plastic Warhound, but I won't hold my breath on it...
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Post by dougeye on Mar 12, 2013 6:16:53 GMT -5
if i plastic warhound is released for aroun £100 pounds i can see alot of avid forgeworld fans crying into their wallets after buying the originals, on the one hand as someone who does not own a titan i would be pleased but on the other hand owning a titan used to be something an avid fan wound work towards and it would almost be a unique centrepiece, if everyone has one it will sort of ruin the appeal. There was also a list of units on the drwing board and some of them sounded like some of the old large epic 40k units, i was thinking possibly a version of something like the leviathan (mobile command centre thingies that look like jawa transports with a big cannon) may be in the works but again its more imperial, which is not bad news for us
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Post by Paradill on Mar 12, 2013 6:24:34 GMT -5
Plastic war hound would be no interior (cockpit) and limited weapons options in the kit. No decision has been made as to whether or not it will go ahead but there are designs drawn up and 3D modelled.
From my source at GW HQ.
He also says that Apocalypse pushed Eldar Back a bit.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 12, 2013 7:44:12 GMT -5
Plastic war hound would be no interior (cockpit) and limited weapons options in the kit. No decision has been made as to whether or not it will go ahead but there are designs drawn up and 3D modelled. From my source at GW HQ. He also says that Apocalypse pushed Eldar Back a bit. Interesting. I remember having an avid debate with a friend of mine back when the CAD designs for the Stormlord were leaked. He swore it wasn't actually going to be made, whereas I contended that GW wouldn't have gone to the effort of making the designs (since that takes time and money) if they weren't going to actually produce a kit. Turns out I was correct, so I wonder if this bodes well for a plastic Warhound?
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Post by Paradill on Mar 12, 2013 7:57:24 GMT -5
According to him, it's same size as an Ork thing. (Gargant?? Stompa?? Whatever the plastic kit is.) only options would be plasma and Bolter or Bolter and Flamer.
Equally he does give me false information occasionally to mess with my head.
I'll update when I know more.
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Post by dougeye on Mar 12, 2013 10:03:47 GMT -5
the forge world warhounds are about the same size as the plastic stompa so i guess that sounds about right. The vulcan mega bolter will be identicle to the shape and size of the one on the stormlord kit and the plasma the same as the macharius omega tanks main gun so that should give a sense of scale.
I bet though that later in the year (after i have sold all my tau) they make tau look cool and do some great work with them + apoc units lol
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Post by vegna on Mar 12, 2013 10:43:07 GMT -5
hmm I bet the new apoc will mainly focus on super heavy fliers rather than "old" units. we know thats all 6th is about these days! Glad to see no rummors about the emperors fist tank bundles
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 12, 2013 12:30:29 GMT -5
According to him, it's same size as an Ork thing. (Gargant?? Stompa?? Whatever the plastic kit is.) only options would be plasma and Bolter or Bolter and Flamer. Equally he does give me false information occasionally to mess with my head. I'll update when I know more. *Hands Paradill a Catachan Brainleaf* Slap that on your friend, use it to control him, and then give us all the inside poopy!
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