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Post by dougeye on Jan 22, 2013 6:04:27 GMT -5
so a local gaming club i follow on facebook sais there are rumours of price hikes in 2013 on all gw stuff. anyone else herd these or is it the usual speculations that are always going round??
i cannot see how they would benefit from price increases as the most common complaint of most is the about the high price of GW miniatures. surely if they did it would see a drop in sales that is larger than the extra revenue they would have got.
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Post by scotti88 on Jan 22, 2013 6:40:12 GMT -5
My club has just said the same, however we pay club fees so we get a discount. As we all keep saying they are just money grabbing now
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Post by dougeye on Jan 22, 2013 6:43:48 GMT -5
I already buy all my models from discount independants as it is, if gw raise the prices i bet they change the contracts and stop the discounted rrp's of independants.
if the price rises sure i will probably still buy the models but i wount spend as much in total, if i was going to buy 2 lemun russ for £60 but they make them £40 each i wount be spending £80 on them i will just buy 1 lemun russ and less models in general within the same time frame.
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Post by Paradill on Jan 22, 2013 6:59:52 GMT -5
They get you hooked on the good stuff then steadily raised the prices. The 'crack dealer business plan'.
I'm addicted and will continue to buy until it is ridiculous, over 30 quid for ten troops would be my limit I feel. Bring back the boxes of twenty guardsmen!
Paradill
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Post by dougeye on Jan 22, 2013 7:27:08 GMT -5
yes 20 metal guard for £14 pound! in a GW store those were the days! obviously factors like inflation etc cannot be helped but they are going over and above now and in the past.
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Post by vegna on Jan 22, 2013 7:30:38 GMT -5
this isn't a rumor. it's fact. every year GWS increase their prices. why my last minitures i ordered where from plastic soldier got a platoon of troops in 28mm for interwar and early ww2 for my gaming club Plus another price hike just buy from FW XD
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Post by treadiculous on Jan 22, 2013 8:02:03 GMT -5
GW models rise much much faster than inflation, so you can argue that buying models (with the aim to re-sell) is an investment.. it just so happens that painting them well adds to their value, and playing games helps keep the dust off.
the main hobby companies ; lego, hornby, scalextric radio controlled vehicles are all very expensive too,
..as are football kits which change each season, and most other sports require a significant cost outlay to get the equipment.
we live in a capital based society with a precedent for selling unnecessary toxic crap at high prices (oil anyone?) and strong messages that the fattest cats get the best cream.. taxing joe public to pay off the bankers f@*k up, yes please!
GW are in a big debt because they run stores where you can game and meet people, plus they manufacture in UK and not china so pay sick leave, holidays etc etc, this has some bearing on their costs vs the guy working from his basement.
with plenty of smaller independent companies making excellent models its easy enough to find somewhere else, plus imperial guard are possibly the easiest to find alternate models for.
or forgeworld.. which I find amusing!.. FW cheaper than GW!
or.. buy rapid mold and take casts at home to reproduce your favourite bits over and over again. (melta / plasma guns etc).
on a side note.. try and find a quality tank kit as cheap as the chimera from another shop.. its quite difficult!
Personally.. I hate the price increases and prices based on rules - they should sell kits on weight or number of sprues, or quantity of parts or something.. the shadowsword has so few pieces yet costs £70, and I think there's more plastic in the ork boys box! (£20).
grrr.
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Post by vegna on Jan 22, 2013 8:59:19 GMT -5
I don't mind supporting a company, but the question is, how come the company that produces them costs more than a company that stocks them? If they can buy them that cheap from GWS that they still make profit it questions the entire "we have to keep stores open!" idea.
Also wonder if a poll to see who games in store and how often they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 11:13:18 GMT -5
GW generates most of it's revenue from children tugging on their wealthy parent's wallets. They could quite easily hike their prices and get away with it.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 22, 2013 11:37:08 GMT -5
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Post by emptyhat on Jan 22, 2013 13:38:09 GMT -5
I don't mind supporting a company, but the question is, how come the company that produces them costs more than a company that stocks them? If they can buy them that cheap from GWS that they still make profit it questions the entire "we have to keep stores open!" idea. Also wonder if a poll to see who games in store and how often they do. GW stores have a much higher mark up than the third party sellers but that is partly to do with them harvesting extra revenue for expansion and paying rent all over the place, or offering free shipping on everything. Obviously if you get no benefit from these things then you should avoid GW shops like the plague. I've used my local GW shop a lot, from dropping by and playing pick up games when I was just getting back into the hobby and didn't know any other players to meeting up with IGMB forum members for the first time, in a neutral location. The place also fills up with kids whenever they don't have to be in school and other then the fact that it is free babysitting for the parents they are also avoiding the hassle of having 12 of Johnny's friends round scuffing up the dining room table. The other reason I use my local GW is because all those fond memories from my childhood. Heading down that way I always remember the drifting music from busking bands, the fortune tellers in their stalls and the drifting scents of various foods from half a dozen restaurants that would resolve itself into the smell of paint and glue as I got close. I'd be pretty sad if that place ever closed down; so for me, even with the mark up and the £5 bus fair I still go and shop there and have a bit of a natter with the staff about things and enjoy looking at the armies they have painted or the new boards they've made. But yeah I've only got so much money in my pocket so price rises just mean I'll be getting less for it. At least for me I already have more than one full army to play with. Buying this stuff is just a luxury.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 22, 2013 14:19:04 GMT -5
As a general rule, a yearly price increase from GW is a question of when and how much, not if. When they switched to Finecast, they made the horrendously stupid mistake of coupling it with their price increase, so they basically said "We're switching to this because it's cheaper!" and charged more for it than the original metal models. As others have mentioned, it's really a question of finding out how much people are willing to pay for a luxury hobby, especially since the global economy hasn't been the healthiest thing in the world these past few years, and money is tight for a lot of people.
The question I have is what does GW hope to accomplish with the revenue a price increase will supposedly bring? Are they trying to support their storefronts and offset production costs? Are they trying to expand and using the increases to fund it? Are they trying to prop up the perennial loser of the GW line, Lord of the Rings, by making the other lines support it? Or are they doing what most people accuse them of, and raising prices to offset falling interest in the hobby (and therefore propagating a vicious cycle)?
Reds
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 22, 2013 14:25:41 GMT -5
The question I have is what does GW hope to accomplish with the revenue a price increase will supposedly bring? Are they trying to support their storefronts and offset production costs? Are they trying to expand and using the increases to fund it? Are they trying to prop up the perennial loser of the GW line, Lord of the Rings, by making the other lines support it? Or are they doing what most people accuse them of, and raising prices to offset falling interest in the hobby (and therefore propagating a vicious cycle)? I'd bet a dollar that it's a combination of all of the above...
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Post by emptyhat on Jan 22, 2013 14:38:21 GMT -5
When they switched to Finecast, they made the horrendously stupid mistake of coupling it with their price increase, so they basically said "We're switching to this because it's cheaper!" and charged more for it than the original metal models. You're right about that. Personally that still clouds my thoughts when I look at GW finecast models and I've mostly been avoiding them, they have also had some weird pricing like with like with Valkia and Festus. why is one £4 more expensive than the other? I'd like a Valkia to convert for my 40k chaos marines but everytime I think about those extra four pounds and then the metal to fincecast increase, then the potential casting flaws. The other thing they've done this month that is weird is the new one click price bundles. How does showing off 17 marines for £104 pounds help them at all? That's the kind of thing where it helps them when you buy them at £6.5 individually and then realise the combined cost when you are mentally committed to the purchase, either when you are at the checkout or when you've been buying them once a month for a few months.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 22, 2013 14:51:14 GMT -5
Yeah, that really soured things for me too. I doubt it was anything more than just poorly though out timing, but at the time it really looked like a metaphorical middle finger to their customer base. I've been avoiding Finecast too, but mostly because with the increasing amount of bitz in the newer kits, it's easier to build plastic versions of most finecast models, and more enjoyable too.
As for the one click bundles, some of them sort of make sense, like the DA release bundle, but I feel that's pandering to a very select market of people who want to have all the new kits that come with a release, or are looking to build a certain style of army. It's a good idea in theory, but I have no idea who would buy that Legion of the Damned one...
Reds
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Post by Paradill on Jan 22, 2013 15:11:40 GMT -5
Rich idiots?
Yeah I kept that fine cast release issue of red dwarf in my special 'retarded games workshop literature' chest. Right alongside the grey knights codex clippings of Draigo carving his name on Mortarions heart like some mental graffiti artist and the knights wearing special sister hats to protect them.
Games Workshops problem isn't how evil they are, but how stupid they are.
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Post by syphon on Jan 24, 2013 12:08:45 GMT -5
I once liked the hobby. Now it feels like a chore. And you don't even get paid to do it.
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Post by Paradill on Jan 24, 2013 12:29:42 GMT -5
It's a chore you pay to do, that ostracises you from the bulk of society and cause girls to think you probably stalk them (they have no proof I was there)
Fun game.
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