Help with Necrons

[christopher300]

Apr 13, 2013 11:34:54 GMT -5 WestRider said:

Once again, I'm going to recommend Manticores. They're good against basically everything the Necrons field. Against Wraiths, the multiple Blasts can generate enough Hits that some of those Instant Death Wounds get through the 3++, and the AP4 isn't a drawback at all. They can reliably rack up Penetrating Hits on the Vehicles to strip Quantum Shielding, they can pound the Infantry (especially Warriors). The only things a Manticore can't deal with in the Necron Army are the Flyers.

Well funny you should mention I have just ordered the manticore sprues so will be trying them out. I am losing a bit of faith in my basilisks. I normally field two but in that game I use one of them as a medusa to try it out. With the basilisk I find it is awesome when it hits, but it doesnt hit that often, especially as they are nearly always in my minimum range.

That being said, I have not got my rulebook to hand, what is the range of a manticore?

I think I may convert at least one of my basilisks into a Medus full time.

Vendettas are really the best thing we've got against the Necron Flyers. Against AV11, 3TL Lascannon is really nasty, and we can pick them up almost as easily as they can take Scythes. If you are going this route, do not take an Astropath or Officer of the Fleet. You want to get the first shots, which means you want the Scythes coming on the board before your Vendettas do.

I hear you, and t des make sound sense, I am just currently in the mood of not wanting to go with the obvious choice I guess plus I try to build an infantry and artillery type army. But each day I fancy the flyers more ad more, and each game I get more and more fed up of having to deploy so much infantry.

A Quad Gun is probably a better bet here than an Icarus Lascannon. The Lascannon has its place (especially for the increased chance of one-shotting a Helldrake), but against the AV11 Scythes, the extra shots to strip Hull Points are more useful.

The jury is still kind of out on Hydras. If they can survive until the Turn after the Scythes show up, they're solid, but they're not hugely durable, and without Interceptor, the Scythes are often going to be able to Zoom on and get Side Armour shots with those Tesla Destructors, which generally doesn't end well for the Hydra. At least the fact that almost all the Necron Vehicles are Skimmers means that the Hydras can still do something useful when there aren't Flyers on the board.

I totally agree with you. The Icarus I have only used past couple of weeks. I had heard of the Necrons starting with AV13 and thought I would try and go for the pen and then had the hydra to try and get glances.

In reallity though with the icarus it just felt like a pot shot. I got terrible rolls when I did pen, if it penetrated at all. I definately missed rollling four dice with twin linked and think that is the way forward.

Its the very first time i used a hydra and its still in mid conversion but i found it crap that it isnt twin linked. With skimmers is it still a 6 to hit?

And P.S.

I forgot to put on the list that I used, two lascannon heavy weapons teams and a heavy bolter heacy weapons team.

Because my Hydra actually lasted till I think it was turn 3 when a disordered charge by a wraiths unit with an attached storm lord destroyed it. And I think it was largely because he concentrated a lot of his fire towards my heavy bolters and lascannons and also because I had units show up behind him

[WestRider]

Apr 13, 2013 11:53:17 GMT -5 christopher300 said:

Its the very first time i used a hydra and its still in mid conversion but i found it crap that it isnt twin linked. With skimmers is it still a 6 to hit?

Hydras are Twin-Linked. The entry on Pg.51 just gives the stat for the basic gun, the Army List entry on Pg.102 is where it mentions that they're Twin-Linked.

And P.S.

I forgot to put on the list that I used, two lascannon heavy weapons teams and a heavy bolter heacy weapons team.

Heavy Weapons Teams (two guys with a single gun) or Heavy Weapons Squads (6 guys with 3 guns)?

[christopher300]

I had 2 squads, each squad with three lascannons, I then had a 3rd squad with three havy bolters.

I used to run one lascannons squad but found it the first thing that was shot at, and usually instant deathed. So got a second for more options. I find these my consistant performers in each battle. And they actually did the most damage to the wraiths (when i wasnt shooting at the barges).

I find it useful against enemy characters, like in a 750pt battle against a grey knights army, they fielded Crassus (to be honest I still dont really know what he does) and a Librarian. Lascannon squad picked these out straight away and with AP2 they got the with instant death.

[hendrik]

sabre platforms are your friend! and they can be taken as part of a platoon instead of heavy weapon teams. you can find their rules in imperial armour aeronautica, or in the imperial armour volume one,second edition

[christopher300]

Are they comparable in 40k lists?

[hendrik]

they are 40k approved, if that's what you're asking. there's a whole discussion about wether 40k approved from forgeworld means it's ok to be usedin all games. personally i think it can only improve the game!

[christopher300]

www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/Impgupdate.pdf

I did a bit of google and came across the rules for them. They are in the link above if anyone watching this is interested.

So yeah the main thing is that they hit flyers with normal BS and are twin linked. Very interesting actually

Off the top of my head as i dont have my codex to hand a heavy weapons squad with lascannons would b 115Pts. And two sabre defence platforms with lascannons would be 120Pts.

But they are twinlinked. Anyways i have ordered 2 and shall see how they do.

I have not used Artillery before though, ho do I know how many hull points the gun has? It does not say in the rules in the link. Similarly are the two crewmen treated as individuals?

[WestRider]

Just looked at the .pdf. Those aren't the current Rules for them. As Artillery, they no longer have an Armour Value, see Pg. 46 in the Main Rulebook for details.

[hendrik]

their current rules are in imperial armour volume one,second edition

[christopher300]

Aye I know ;-) Just thought I might have found something easier to get for me lol

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

I just finished a 500 point game vs. Necrons

1 Lord & 5 Warriors
5 Warriors
2 Tomb Spiders
Scarab Swarms
The barge with the Tesla gun and Gauss cannon

vs.

LR Demolisher
Melta vets in a Chimera
Plasma vets with an AC
CCS with flamers

Scarab swarms are beasts so they move incredibly fast, and have move through cover. Had I been lucky, the Demolisher would have killed the entire unit in one shot, but sadly, the dice gods were not in my favor that day. On turn 2, the scarabs scored 14 penetrating hits on her.

FOURTEEN PENETRATING HITS. It exploded about 6 times. I was tabled in Turn 5, and could only claim all 10 warriors and a tomb spider (1 wound left on the Lord though, almost!). The swarms I killed were replaced so I'm not counting them.

FOCUS FIRE SCARAB SWARMS FOR THE LOVE OF TERRA DO NOT LET THEM NEAR YOUR TANKS!

Now I need to go write a letter to their mothers explaining that their sons were eaten alive by metal bugs while inside their tank...

[christopher300]

Wow what sort of statss do these scarabs have?

[Julian Sharps]

They have an ability that allows them to permanently reduce the AV of a vehicle they attack (it also reduces the armor save of any non-vehicle model they attack). Scarabs are nasty, which is why they need to die quickly.

[christopher300]

Apr 19, 2013 9:45:51 GMT -5 Julian Sharps said:

They have an ability that allows them to permanently reduce the AV of a vehicle they attack (it also reduces the armor save of any non-vehicle model they attack). Scarabs are nasty, which is why they need to die quickly.

Fire?

[Julian Sharps]

I've been told that Hellhounds work nicely for this task.

[Captain Zapp Brannigan]

My first army was Necrons and the scarabs were always my best unit. Whether they be mauling Lucius the eternal or ripping up tanks these bad boys are phenomenal!

And yes I agree with an earlier comment.
-As much as I love my three Basilisks for their fluff and how they fit into the IG profile so well, they are very useless against those fast moving armies, Min 36" is a female dog!