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Post by syphon on Mar 21, 2013 10:46:00 GMT -5
As you might have seen, I am working on a new army. I am giving anything above corporal (so starting at sergeant) their full rank. I.e captain Vorlitz gets Cpt. Vorlitz on his base, Lieutenant Kurn has Lt. Kurn on his base, etc etc.
Now my question is as follows: I finished up a mini to serve as an Officer of the Fleet, and want to give him rank and name. What rank does an Officer of the Fleet hold? I've been looking at the Lexicanum but it doesn't say much about that. My gut says it's a junior officer but as I said, nothing decisive.
For the fluff I also came up with a character that's a friend to captain Vorlitz (leader of the CCXXVIIth in medium-scale conflicts) called Olan Victrius. What rules should I use for him? Is the Witch Hunter or Daemonhunter addition still alive with the newest codex or not?
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Post by Paradill on Mar 21, 2013 11:00:21 GMT -5
In regards to the officer of the fleet, I'd go with Lieutenant (or first lieutenant if you're American and therefor don't know how to organise your naval rank structure), its the equivalent of a Guard Captain (or so I would presume based on modern rank structure and how its reflected within 40k.)
High enough in rank to bring together different sections of a force to serve his purpose. Not such a high rank as to be needed aboard ship at all times. Perfect.
Not sure on question number 2.
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Post by tallarncommander on Mar 21, 2013 12:53:36 GMT -5
Syphon,
In one of the Gav Thorpe Last Chancers novels, Colonel Schaeffer and his squad link up with a naval Lieutenant who then calls in direct ordinance from an imperial fleet overhead.
As Paradill noted, it stands to reason that a lieutenant would also call in air support from Lightnings and Thunderbolts as well.
-Tallarn Commander
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Post by syphon on Mar 21, 2013 16:53:29 GMT -5
You signed up just to help little old me out? Well, that's better than the time somebody signed up just to call my painting something nasty. Thanks, guys. I wonder, though, whether there's a title I can give the guy to distinguish him from Kurn, leader of my sentinel squad, who is also a lieutenant.
I might go with one of these:
Flag-Lieutenant or Lord-Lieutenant is the highest Lieutenant rank in the Navy, and may be the second in command of a ship.[10c] First Lieutenant[10c] Second Lieutenant[10c] Third Lieutenant[10c] Sub-Lieutenant or Ensign is the most junior Lieutenant rank.[10c]
Midshipman is the rank given to 'trainee' officers, who have to pass extensive examinations before becoming a Lieutenant.[10c]
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Post by Paradill on Mar 21, 2013 17:00:53 GMT -5
I'd go with first Lieutenant, although that too is an army (or in this case guar)d rank.
It wouldn't be a midshipman and if steer clear of sub-LT too.
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Post by Adkenpachi on Mar 21, 2013 17:05:48 GMT -5
Why cant your army have two lieutenants?
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Post by scotti88 on Mar 21, 2013 17:11:59 GMT -5
Just make him a lieutenant commander, lt cdr
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Post by Paradill on Mar 21, 2013 17:19:15 GMT -5
Too high a rank for that job homie.
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Post by scotti88 on Mar 21, 2013 17:21:07 GMT -5
Nah it's not, I'm in the rn and that's practically a peasant
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Post by Lt Osmann on Mar 22, 2013 13:00:25 GMT -5
For the right rank for the job I'd go with a Sub Lieutenant, equivalent to an army Lieutenant. The rank is unwieldy and awkward though, and Lieutenant might be simpler.
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Post by Paradill on Mar 22, 2013 13:04:25 GMT -5
Nah it's not, I'm in the rn and that's practically a peasant Wouldn't let your Lt CMDR hear you say that scotti. I also wouldn't assume no one else is in the navy and/or commissioned.
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Post by vegna on Mar 22, 2013 13:21:26 GMT -5
Lieutenant of the watch? I know that's the job description when a Lieutenant is ment ot be over seeing a ship in the 1800s
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Post by scotti88 on Mar 22, 2013 16:00:58 GMT -5
Ye the lt otw is now just the oow(officer of the watch) nah I woundnt say that to him, but they just seem to get the nuts jobs lol
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Mar 22, 2013 16:18:47 GMT -5
I would think it would depend on what level the officer were attached at. If it were company level, a lieutenant would be appropriate. If they're attached at the regimental level (as with my regiment; the 482nd's size and structure fluctuates too much to attach an OoF at the comapny level) I'd think something along the lines of a Major would be better.
For your second question, I've seen nothing in the current IG codex about witchhunters or daemonhunters. What does the Captain's buddy do? I assume he's an Inquisition type, if so, maybe using the rules for a Lord Commissar, but with different fluff?
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Post by vegna on Mar 23, 2013 10:29:57 GMT -5
Navy doesn't use Major. For me the size of the imperial guard force doesn't make a difference, the fleet still has it's own job a Lieutenant is easier to send than a higher rank as you have 3x more than the next rank and then you have like 5x as many of them as the next. The higher ranks also have to command their ships or squadrons of ships so their going to be needed. a Lieutenant just needs to relay whats going on up to the ships. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_officer_rank_insignia
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Mar 23, 2013 12:18:57 GMT -5
nuts, you're right about the Navy not using Major... clearly, I know not of what I speak.
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Post by syphon on Mar 25, 2013 16:09:58 GMT -5
I decided to go with Flag-Lieutenant. His name is as of yet unknown, but there you have it.
I'm not sure what the Rogue Trader does. It started with a name and then I decided he should be a Rogue Trader.
I could, of course, go with the old Rogue Trader/Astronomican rules and just make him a secondary leader. Back in good old times, they just got entire armies to go with them so in that vein I imagine that he could just have gotten a smaller detachment. That, of course, means that Victrius gets to be platoon commander of a bunch of exotically armed and strange-looking soldiers.
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Post by Boobs McGee, Esquire on Apr 9, 2013 16:28:24 GMT -5
So much yes have an informal unit of rogue traders use him as a the sergeant of a penal legion squad it would be pretty cool
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