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Post by tubyas on May 27, 2013 21:53:00 GMT -5
Hey all, i am new to the forums and new to imperial guard! I have always admired the army and have finally made the disicion to start them! I love the idea of the Ellysian drop troops so I was hoping a few of the ladies and gents who frequent pass by this part of the forum could answer a few of my questions...
1. I would like to start of this army at 1000 points completely based on flyers for transportation so now chimaeras, any ideas where to start or what it should look like?
2. When/How should I use a Valkyrie/Vendetta?
3. If I plan on doing an Ellysian Drop Troop style army, all vets and storm troopers in flyers? Or room for infantry platoons?
4. Any ideas that could fit Ellysian style of heavy support?
5. What should I get based on the answer to question 1, I already have 21 troops, 3 hw hb teams, and 3 leman russes
Thanks in advance!
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Post by treadiculous on May 30, 2013 4:37:15 GMT -5
There is an entire Elysian army list which you can use.
PM me and I might be able to help you acquire it.
As for your questions:
1) Transports would come in the shape of valkyrie and vendetta, with the occasional sky-talon to bring in the buggies and sentinels (though I feel sky -talons are more a collectors piece than tactically useful).
2) Vendetta's are the most powerful unit in the imperial army, use the 3 twin linked las-cannons to take down the priority armored or monsters targets. It has a transport capacity too.. though it plays much more like a gunship. (can be worth having a cheap scoring unit in it though).
3) Storm troopers are pricey while vets are good value - stock up on veterans to go in valkyries, recommend plasma, melta and grenade launchers and flamers but not heavy weapons.
Since you have 3 russ as a long term plan it wouldn't be a bad idea to build a blob platoon of 20 to bubble wrap each tank - give these blobs the heavy weapons which came in the box and swap the heavy bolters for autocannons.
Platoons will work well in a combined/ hybrid army - russ, platoons and vendetta at the back, valks going forward with vets.
4) The vulture is awesome - I believe it counts as heavy support, add this to the vendetta and you have a very effective heavy section.
5) I'd get a couple of valkyrie, a couple vendetta and about 50 more infantry.
oh, and a couple manticore to sit behind the russ / platoon guline...
This will give you two co-operative armies - a gunline defensive army of tanks and footsloggers, and a fast aggressive army of flyers and elite troops.
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Post by Aeon on May 30, 2013 11:36:11 GMT -5
Keep in mind, fluff wise, when Elysians attack, they all drop from the sky. Since we can't do that anymore in this codex, to remain fluffy, you'd have to run all veterans, each with their on Valkyrie or Vendetta gunship to carry them around in.
My recommendation is to take at least 1 full platoon of men (55 men, plus at least 2 heavy weapon teams), as your main ground force. That one platoon is a lot of guys. They can be your 'forward scouting team' or something of the like.
Then take veterans in Valkyries, so save you points and get you manpower. Those squads can be your kill squads. Drop them off somewhere and let them go to work, but it always pays to have heavy weapons in your army. You need fire support to win this game as the Imperial Guard
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 30, 2013 13:48:46 GMT -5
Keep in mind, fluff wise, when Elysians attack, they all drop from the sky. Since we can't do that anymore in this codex, to remain fluffy, you'd have to run all veterans, each with their on Valkyrie or Vendetta gunship to carry them around in. There's easily room for dismounted infantry, thematically speaking. Generally , if you're dropping a large body of troops into enemy territory, you'll want to do it somewhere as quiet as possible so you can organize and move out on foot. For your list, the main body of troops could have already landed and are pressing the objective, and anyone in gunships could be support for the assault dispatched either from the regimental assembly point, or from whatever airbase they started out from. IA 8 lays out a pretty textbook landing operation for Elysians, so I'd take a look at that for more details. Reds |
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Post by Paradill on May 30, 2013 14:02:23 GMT -5
According to the first Word Bearers book the Elysians deploy and attack pretty much as Reds says.
They dropped in off radar initially then saved their elite storm trooper companies in to press the attack or claim specific critical objectives.
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Post by tubyas on Jun 1, 2013 8:28:53 GMT -5
Wow thanks you for all the replies! However I have a few follow up questions... treadiculous would I have 3 different platoons to bubble wrap the 3 russes? And what type of Russ should they be if they will be sitting in the back gunlining? Aren't manticore heavy support to? So what mixture of russes and manticores should I run? |
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Post by hendrik on Jun 3, 2013 17:25:58 GMT -5
According to the first Word Bearers book the Elysians deploy and attack pretty much as Reds says. They dropped in off radar initially then saved their elite storm trooper companies in to press the attack or claim specific critical objectives. this could be easely represented by taking al raheim in a platoon. in a true airborn army leman russes seem a bit out of place in my opinion. if it's in a hybrid list, there's nothing wrong with the standard leman russ. it a jack of trades, king of none kind of tank with a very decent killing capacity |
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