Guard vs. Orks ... does this build work?

[mchrist95]

Hi all,

I have been playing guard for a while now (thought not in tournaments) and will be playing an ork player soon.

Does this list sound appropriate?

Company Command Squad
Heavy Flamer, Plasma Gun, Regimental Standard, Vox Caster
Company Commander
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Lord Commissar
Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon

Storm Trooper Squad
2x Meltagun, 5x Storm Trooper
Storm Trooper Sergeant
Hotshot Lasgun, Hotshot Laspistol

Infantry Platoon

Heavy Weapons Squad
Lascannon, 2x Missile Launcher

Heavy Weapons Squad
3x Autocannon

Infantry Squad (60pts)
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Platoon Command Squad
Heavy Flamer, Plasma Gun, Platoon Standard, Vox Caster
Platoon Commander
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Veteran Squad
Grenade Launcher, 6x Lasgun, 2x Meltagun
Chimera
Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer
Veteran Sergeant
Plasma Pistol, Power Fist

Veteran Squad
Lascannon, 4x Lasgun, 3x Sniper Rifle (15pts)
Veteran Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Veteran Squad
2x Flamer, Grenade Launcher, 6x Lasgun
Chimera
Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer
Veteran Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

1x Armoured Sentinel
Lascannon, Smoke Launchers
2x Armoured Sentinel
Heavy Flamer, Smoke Launchers

Vendetta Gunship Squadron
Vendetta
2 Twin-linked Lascannons, Sponson Heavy Bolters

Leman Russ Demolisher
Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamers, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Manticore Rocket Launcher
Heavy Flamer

[mchrist95]

I know I am missing some things and I have about 140 pts left before 2000.

[balashivo]

Take another vendetta if possable

[mchrist95]

I can do that! Thank you ... any suggestions are much appreciated ... otherwise the build looks ok?

[treadiculous]

Hi,

Liking your use of flamers!

Things that I think you could swap out are:

Lord Commissar
Storm Troopers
Sniper Rifles in the Vet squad

Armoured Sentinels - Id switch to scout and go for rear / side armour with lascannon and a heavy roasting for any boys, buggies and bike near the flanks.

It looks to me like you intend to use a flamer platoon and to keep it mobile, I'd look into supporting it with a platoon command squad with all flamers, rather than the mixed weapons you have, its cheaper and has a more a clear purpose.

If you can I'd add more russ or platoon blobs then I would go that direction over veteran units.

Have you any valkyrie because they make a good mess out of greenskin hordes!

[yvain]

Everything tread said!

Its generally a no no to mix weapons in units, give them one clear goal and weapon type.

Ratlings make the best snipers because they are cheap and have lots of special rules. If you are using cadian style just say they are whiteshield following ratling rules

Heavy flamers are too expensive for infantry. They don't give you much more killing power.

You have one squad with a power fist and plasma pistol, I don't think they will get much use out of it verse orks. Once they get to CC is usually over.

You might be better off with a BT verse a demolisher because most ork armor is lighter and you want that nice range.

[yvain]

I would also agree with keeping the stormtroopers at home. If you do take them, I like to give the sgt a plasma pistol and hotshot laspistol for the gunslinger rule.

[mchrist95]

What is the BT? vs the demolisher

[mchrist95]

Here is an updated list.

Company Command Squad
2x Flamer, Regimental Standard, Vox Caster
Company Commander
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Platoon

Heavy Weapons Squad
Krak Grenades, 3x Lascannon

Heavy Weapons Squad
3x Autocannon, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapons Squad
Krak Grenades, 3x Missile Launcher

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Chimera
Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Pintle Heavy Stubber
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
Flamer, Vox Caster
Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Platoon Command Squad
3x Flamer, Vox Caster
Platoon Commander
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Veteran Squad
2x Flamer, Forward Sentries, Grenade Launcher, 6x Lasgun, Vox Caster
Chimera
Extra Armour, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Pintle Heavy Stubber
Veteran Sergeant
Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Scout Sentinel Squadron
Scout Sentinel
Lascannon, Smoke Launchers
Scout Sentinel
Heavy Flamer, Smoke Launchers
Scout Sentinel
Heavy Flamer, Smoke Launchers

Valkyrie
2 Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Valkyrie
2 Multiple Rocket Pods, Lascannon

Leman Russ
Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamers, Pintle Heavy Stubber

Manticore Rocket Launcher
Heavy Flamer

[treadiculous]

oh yes...

much more solid - each unit has a clear role and purpose, and those platoons (I'm assuming your making 2 platoons) will be a challenge to beat after the overwatch takes its toll.

Have you a commissar to put into the platoons at all - the stubbornness will be very handy, possibly more so than the regimental standard.

Liking the poor mans hellhound (the chimera with 2 heavy flamers) - it may be better carrying the platoon command squad than a single infantry unit.



My only question is regarding the grenade launcher in the veteran squad.


(a 'BT' is a leman russ main Battle Tank, sometimes called LMBT)


good work sir

[yvain]

This does look much better. A few things to consider.

I use four rules when creating a guard list.
1. One Special weapon type (only multi types if they synergize)
2. Keep as cheap as possible
3. BS4 needs meltas and plasma (westrider will argue for melta and plasma all around and he might be right)
4. When in doubt more men or guns

For example, I think dozer blades and extra armor are garbage upgrades. Too expensive for too little benefit. I would drop them. I don't like stubbers either because usally they can't fire at full BS. Forward sentries, on your chimera squad won't help that much more. So too much eggs in one basket. In this case, grenadieers is better because when orks CC you, the armor still works. Forward sentries shines when you have Harker. Your scout sents, one lascannon and 2 heavy flamers means only one can shoot. I would go multi laser, because it is cheap, range is equal to the one lascannon. It can target light vehicles so you get some extra punch verse trukks. And it goes through ork armor.

You can trim maybe 60 points there alone. That is another squad of men, which could save the day. Or maybe up those vets to melta. Orks don't usually require much anti tank, but maybe another anti tank unit would be handy because the changes you made weakened that aspect a bit ( I would switch a single valk to a vendetta but maybe your friend has no vics )

Also a get a Vulture cuz they are awesome