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Post by dougeye on Oct 31, 2013 13:13:26 GMT -5
so I had to go to the dentist today, couple of fillings etc nothing to bad. £50 for all the appointments and check ups etc. then I went down to my local GW and picked up some bits for my thunderhawk project, walst looking at space marines etc the GW guy tried to get me to buy centurions for my smurfs, I veired away from the topic but he asked again and told me how cool they are, to which I replied id rather spend another £50 getting my teeth drilled than spend £50 on a three man mini dreadnaught squad lol he wasn;t very impressed, but he did sell a codex, vanguard veterans, lord executioner and a tin of spray which to be honest I don't think he was expecting lol (neither was I when I went in for a can of spray paint! lol )
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Post by optimat on Oct 31, 2013 17:05:15 GMT -5
GW hard seller guys: it doesn't work on everyone.
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Post by that1guy on Oct 31, 2013 19:38:22 GMT -5
'Mini-dreadnaught squad', what a damn shame.
I wonder what troubles these GW guys will give me when I first walk into their store. *que dream sequence*
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Post by BG. Foster on Nov 1, 2013 1:58:28 GMT -5
The guy who runs my local GW tried to get me to buy some but only after I told him I had money to spend. I didn't buy any though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 16:01:39 GMT -5
Typical GW "Aggressive Marketing Strategy"
Did you feel intimidated Foster? I did when they took my card and typed in my pin.
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Post by dangerrod on Nov 2, 2013 1:30:49 GMT -5
My local store is actually pretty cool, they mostly just ask about my armies and tournaments and stuff
Luckily their not that aggressive in their sales, if they were I'd not bother going in
As for the centurions, don't be quick to write them off, they may look derpy, but their firepower output is nasty!
I played a game against 6 last week loaded out with Missile Launchers and T/L Lascannons (Imperial Fists CT) along with Tigurius casting Divination. They pretty much shot off my entire army in three turns, I couldn't get close enough to actually hurt them! I managed to kill 4-5 by game end but at that stage it was already over
Watch out for the derpy giants!
Oh and the guy who won the overall tournament was using three with Grav weapons, I saw him taking out Wraithtknights and Riptides like you wouldn't believe!
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Post by dougeye on Nov 2, 2013 2:35:05 GMT -5
so they are essentially smaller versions of dreadnaughts with better fire power lol Still for a collector like me who does not play as much as others I go for pretty before powerful! much like my women!
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Post by dangerrod on Nov 2, 2013 5:15:06 GMT -5
I would actually say they are better than a dreadnought (poor old dreadnought) T5 and 2 wounds with a 2+ Armor save is pretty good.
Slow and purposeful as well and can ignore night fighting and split fire with the omniscope
Function over looks for me!
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Post by that1guy on Nov 2, 2013 20:01:39 GMT -5
Not that I play space marines (hell I haven't even fielded my guard yet), the looks aren't the unattractive part of the Centurions. It's the fact that they whip these models out of production with absolutely no reference to them ever in the lore that I can think of {and I've read my fair share of 40k omnibuses} suddenly out of the blue these things have been there all along and the best writer in the world can't recover from this complete lack of continuity with in the fluff's cannon.
Looks and function be damned. They've broken the game AND the fluff that's supported it. Obviously given GW's "reputation", a lot of you more experienced hobbyists are use to this kind of treatment. You probably are reading this and rolling your eye's thinking, "Oh boy, if he's complaining about this I'd hate to see what he had to say about the changes of {generic rules} back in '92."
I don't care either way because I'm not a space marine player put into the position of 'pay up or be obsolete', but it's not making me look forward to the codex released.
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Post by dougeye on Nov 3, 2013 2:51:05 GMT -5
you make a very valid point! one of the first things I thought was hold on ive never heard of centurions. The only tiny reference to anything like this and I mean tiny is the sgt from the ultramarines books that had to have special heavy armour made out of bits and pieces of terminator armour because he was oversized even for a space marine, but certainly not armour like this.
I mean people complained about the dreadknight whien it came out but to me there was no problem because the grey knights were a new and secret organisation that were written in and considering their position in the imperium probably would have slightly more advanced stuff.
If GW are going to start adding random units to 40K like the centurions then I think they should just go the whole hog and make all Forge world units, 40k And HH legal in the game. then watch every space marine player rush out and buy heresy era tanks!
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Post by WestRider on Nov 3, 2013 11:46:34 GMT -5
GW does this constantly, tho. No one had ever heard of a Storm Raven before 2009, anywhere in the fluff. For ages, there were no mentions of any Leman Russ variants beyond the basic one and the Demolisher, and then suddenly they're coming out of the woodwork, most with fluff that says they've been around since the Heresy. Up until late in 3rd Ed, Grey Knights only ever fought in Terminator Armour, and Power Armoured GKs were explicitly not a thing.
It goes the other way, too. At one point, anti-grav stuff was common enough that IG had Jetbikes and Landspeeders. Shuriken Catapults used to be a pretty good option for Space Marines in certain roles, while Eldar could take Land Raiders, and most Orks carried either a Bolter or a Bolt Pistol, and many could take Plasmaguns or Lascannon.
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Post by dougeye on Nov 3, 2013 15:45:37 GMT -5
I suppose we would all be complaining though if they didn't release anything new so its give and take, I just don't like centurions lol
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Post by that1guy on Nov 5, 2013 17:28:27 GMT -5
You are right. We probably would be complaining. I suppose they can't make much of a move with out hearing a complaint they have about some rumor we customers heard while on the great www.
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Post by Narric on Nov 5, 2013 17:33:11 GMT -5
This thread just makes me want to walk into a GW, and just waste the staffs' time. Maybe I could rip into the models design? Or maybe I should complain about the lack of Sisters f Battle Plastic Kits? The last GW I frequented with much frequency was one I'd gone to for nearly a year straight. The guys knew me, and I knew them (heck, I went to school with the youngest son of the Store Manager). They knew not to waste my time. If I was going to buy something, I was going to buy something, if not, I'd probably just sit at a Paint station with a random selection of models and paints and brushes (and do some painting ), or I'd grab some poor soul whom had walked in, and play an increadibly fun game that I invariably lost
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Post by vegna on Nov 5, 2013 23:08:20 GMT -5
it's fine expanding on fluff, from what I've read the imperiums huge and the guard have millions of tanks surely they'd have more then 2 types and just changing the guns isn't as big as adding a completely new armour and class. they just look like their ripping from Starship troopers!
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Post by dougeye on Nov 6, 2013 2:52:33 GMT -5
thing some people forget aswell is that tech marines and priests are not stupid they have enough ability in mechanics and design to create new weapons and vehicles, hell if they can repair titans they can build tanks. I think its more a case of the religious side of the mechanicum and their machine spirit etc that fluff wise stops them creating new stuff. As mentioned with guard a lot of the tank varients are from different sectors of the imperium were engineers and tech priests have developed designs on a particular forge world.
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Post by vegna on Nov 6, 2013 8:45:24 GMT -5
but their not likely to make such a break through when they've lost better dreadnoughts and power armour. If they wanted to add a new tank they could have a mechanicum launch an assault on a system or world and say they did it for the long lost designs that had been lost fro mthe imperium for so long they had forgotten them?
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Post by that1guy on Nov 7, 2013 11:38:16 GMT -5
they just look like their ripping from Starship troopers! ... if only the 'nids looked so cool.
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Post by that1guy on Dec 14, 2014 9:17:21 GMT -5
Since everyone in this thread has pretty much agreed that Centurions appear aesthetically awful, it's gotten me wondering; "Why not make one of these mini 3 man dreadnought team out of 3 dreadnoughts?"
I mean, they pretty much throw dreadnoughts in for free with any SM box set! Wouldn't this defeat the, "pay to win" element of the centurions as well as allow you to field something that didn't look so stupid? That's the logic I'm throwing out there my fellow nerds. Feel free to take it at what ever value you see.
I've already done a little research on this, and the Dreadnought stands on a 60mm base while the centurions stand on 50mm.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 14, 2014 10:59:50 GMT -5
GW does this constantly, tho. No one had ever heard of a Storm Raven before 2009, anywhere in the fluff. For ages, there were no mentions of any Leman Russ variants beyond the basic one and the Demolisher, and then suddenly they're coming out of the woodwork, most with fluff that says they've been around since the Heresy. Up until late in 3rd Ed, Grey Knights only ever fought in Terminator Armour, and Power Armoured GKs were explicitly not a thing. It goes the other way, too. At one point, anti-grav stuff was common enough that IG had Jetbikes and Landspeeders. Shuriken Catapults used to be a pretty good option for Space Marines in certain roles, while Eldar could take Land Raiders, and most Orks carried either a Bolter or a Bolt Pistol, and many could take Plasmaguns or Lascannon. In fairness, the basic Russ variants were introduced with the IA expansions and were explained as rare, obscure specializations. Also, the Exterminator's been around since 2nd Ed, it just got taken out of the IG 'dex in 3rd and 4th. Also, the 1st ed stuff with Grav-tanks is explained as being Warhammer 30,000/Imperial Army fluff, back when the Emperor walked the stars and tech wasn't a religion - again, there were allowances made for it. With the Guard, you can get away with new kit; you can say it's been in storage (Malcador), or it's a local variant (Macharius), or otherwise an obscure piece of archaeotech, because there are millions of regiments across millions of worlds, fighting in literally every role and condition humanly possible. SM? There's anywhere between 1 to 1.5 million of them (depending on how enthusiastic the SWs are in grinding out Great Companies), and they have one role; superelite shock troops. They should not be fighting sieges (where they'll just die), or getting into grinding attritional line infantry fights Also, Ork weapons are basically bolters. All a bolter is is a 15mm SAPHE binary-propellent round, which in the sub-300m zone isn't going to function much differently to the 10-20mm KE/HE/Frag/Kitchen Sink rounds Ork Shootas use, so describing it as a "bolter" isn't entirely inaccurate.
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Post by Paimon on Dec 14, 2014 13:18:17 GMT -5
I've never actually been in a GW official store, and have only dealt with my various FLGS's. I'm really tempted to go into a GW store and pretend to be just getting into the hobby, having picked my army after having done a bunch of research on the lore, and then ask to see the mixed gender IG kits like Cadians to go with my Sisters of Battle, and can I see a kit of them as well please?
It would be mean, but funny.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Dec 14, 2014 13:23:08 GMT -5
I've been in a couple of GW stores. No one tried to hard sell me anything. I usually have a certain look on my face when shopping that says, "I know exactly what I want, and God save your soul if you talk to me about anything else."
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 14, 2014 16:31:58 GMT -5
I tend to go in only when bored and strike up conversations with the staff.
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Post by treadiculous on Dec 15, 2014 4:38:31 GMT -5
I have the luxury of choice.
Normally I go to the nearest which is friendly and over the years has tended to have staff which if they don't know you will say:
1) can I help you?
then:
2) what do you like to play,
3) what armies do you collect,
.. all done in a fairly relaxed manner.
However... I went to the store a little further away, and I was taking a lad who was just becoming curious about 40k (and who wasn't aware I was quite invested in the hobby).
We entered the store and explained the lad was just starting up the hobby and wanted to get some models, some paints and a brush.
We had a horrible experience in which the lad was repeatedly shown the 'Hobby Starter Set' over and over again.
I had explained we had a budget of £20 for models.. and a further £10 for paintbrush and a couple paints and glue.
the hobby starter set costs £45 and therefore was out of our price range, but did this matter... ooooh no. not at all!
after about ten minutes of this hard sell, in which the manager moved up from the hobby starter set to trying to sell the Dark Vengeance 40k box as well, we left for a little breather.
On return the lad I was with started looking at eldar, we told the manager to give us a bit of time to browse at our own leisure.
We bought some eldar, some paints and glue and brushes.
I then asked if he could be given some help to paint and build his models... what a mistake.. this began a new hard-sell using some weird tuition scheme in which you must "buy the hobby starter set" and could only work through a stage by stage process with direct supervision by the manager.
This was a difficult discussion to leave.. however we managed to get out of the store after about ten minutes of cringe-worthy hell.
The lad has moaned and made fun of the manager since.
Amusingly.. we went to my closer store, the lad instantly got on with the staff and other hobbyists, it wasn't long before the lad spoke openly of how horrendous the previous experience had been to the other GW staff (which they noted and democratically stated "each store manager has a particular style"). there was another young lad in the store who chimed in and soon the whole store was slagging the manager of the other store off.
Hopefully, there will be 'in-house' feed back given.
This store also allowed us to assemble and paint with friendly supportive advice given by staff and other hobbyists.
The lad has been back several times and enjoys the social experience as much as the games and hobby.
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Post by Narric on Dec 15, 2014 9:02:36 GMT -5
I've worked in sales for the entirety of my employed life, and that is horrendous customer service, and from a manager thats horrific.
My own experiences with GW stores recently hasbeen fairly scattershot in honesty. The Coventry branch practically jumped down my throat as soon as I was three steps in the door. The Birmingham branch were talkative, but came across more as wanting to talk creatively rather than sales focus. The Solihull store is fairly laid back, and I even hada chance to read through the Iron Hands Supplement. I didn't feel comfortable asking for that from the other two stores. London was interesting, in that it was a fairly large store, but the staff seemed to mainly focus on their own little hobby projects, whilst I assume keeping an ear out for any customer queries.
In my eyes its a shame GW is slowly becoming such a Hard Sale focused company, as the GW store down in Exeter had a pleasent friendly team.
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