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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 20, 2013 9:47:45 GMT -5
WELCOME TO THE THUUUUNDERDOME HIVE!
TWO OPINIONS OR MORE ENTER, ALMOST ALL OF THEM WILL LEAVE TOO, SINCE THIS WON'T CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND!
Here's the Men's Rights Movement (MVM) thread the Today thread spawned.
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT: - Don't be dicks to one another and no personal attacks, same rule as the rest of the forums. Don't like it? Choose another arena. - Don't make rape jokes, period. They aren't funny, and I will be severely pissed off. If you want to see what will happen, try me. - Everyone has to make an attempt to use capitalization and punctuation if you want your argument to be taken seriously. Not so much a rule as a protip.
I've moved everything from Today to here, I think, but if I missed anything, lemme know and I'll quotebash it in where appropriate. Also, to make it clear, while I DO hold opinions on this topic (because, as a human being, I form opinions. It's what we do), I am putting them aside in the interest of swiftly crushing this thread with my fury and rage if it gets out of hand, regardless of who's responsible (Or at least ruthlessly use images of cute animals).
What will people discuss? Will anyone's opinion's change? Will people get banned?!
Stay tuned to find out.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 20, 2013 9:49:24 GMT -5
So I found out what "Revenge Porn" is today and I think I'm feeling like just... laying down and imagining being anywhere else but Earth right now. For those that don't know what it is... here's a link... Though I don't recommend googling it unless you're safe to look at NSFW pics. That article at least is SFW. Article is usual gibberish, delectably unsourced and attributing an online phenomenon which is an extrapolation of behaviour which has been going on for centuries (waaah my ex has broken up with me, let's ruin their life), perpetuated by a few nutters, to "systematic oppression of women". This isn't even the worst thing that happens in ugly breakups. False allegations, murder, pretty much the entire family court system in general, outing people to their workplace, church or family, destruction of property. Having been on the receiving end of some of that, and had to personally clean up a hell of a lot more... "revenge porn", while scurrilous, isn't even nearly the worst kind of IPV there is. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go take a shower and refresh myself by looking through aircraft porn. s27.photobucket.com/user/Xeno426/media/Military/tornadoalarms_zps7cfded3c.jpg.html commissar.proboards.com/post/375392/quote/6656
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 20, 2013 9:49:57 GMT -5
Oh, you want sources? Okay then. Here's some links from some wonderful fellows in the MRM: A Voice For Men talks about how martial rape is a good thing. Twice, in fact.MRAs say the way they treat women is inspired by prison rape. And let's not forget how they blame women for "the death of the white race" because we're not getting pregnant enough. Quite vividly, at that. And don't worry, MRAs don't just hate women, they also hate men who treat women with even the remotest semblance of respect. Oh, and don't worry, we don't even need to do anything to oppress men! (we just need a nice ass, if we have that, we're oppressing men by existing!) And sports women? Hell, according to MRAs, "if women sucked thingy half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A." (a sentiment the author was so proud of he reposted it elsewhere) But don't worry, not all MRAs beleive that-- after all, better blowjobs wouldn't save marriage because women hate marriage and men! But don't worry, says the MRA, you shouldn't be mad at women for it any more than you'd be mad at a dog (they're pretty much the same anyway). After all, the seed of an MRA is like liquid gold, and therefor anyone who gets it must be shamed because they don't deserve it! And those nasty feminists? They're a bunch of morbidly obese, promiscuous, short-haired, tatooed, cussing easts who hate men and families and can't ever get laid. Not that any woman is anything but a gold-digger anyway who deserves to earn less because they're all female doges. And any woman who speaks her mind and gets harassed for it, quite frankly, isn't being harassed enough.Besides, we all know that women, like dogs, are incapable of love.I'd go on (there are thousands of examples just from a cursory search), but I don't hate myself enough, so suffice it to say, if the Men's Rights Movement dies today, including such nutsstains like A Voice For Men, it will not be soon enough for all the damage that it has done to gender issues, including issues surrounding men.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Dec 20, 2013 9:50:22 GMT -5
Incorrect. I've read that article and just re-read it. At no point does it say anything of the sort. At most it points out that sex was a marital obligation. Lol, you got trolled by Roosh, probably the biggest troll and PUA around. Anonymous reddit posts being... worthless. PUA site, not MRA, two very distinct groups. PUA again. See my above rebuttal. 1. Anonymous comment. 2. No. At no point does the statement refer to the oppression of men whatsoever, it dismisses the myth of the oppression of women. Non-sequitur, most likely said as a joke. Feel free to address the actual meat of the article. Dead link. Now I'm struggling to believe your reading comprehension is this poor, and am beginning to suspect you may be being a teensy bit intellectually dishonest for the sake of hyperbole. Ah, anonymous comments, so wonderful. Dead link. Clearly not an MRA site, just a neo-con on an amphetamines binge. Still mining the PUA blogs eh? Listened to that show, the sentiment in question was "4Chan kind of went easy on her". Which is perfectly supportable; she got off easy. 4Chan's psychopathic little community have proven themselves to be capable of all kinds of criminality. Walk up to them and declare one of their favourite hobbies is sexist and waah, waah, waah...and you get away with being called some names? I would call that lucky. Delightful. A completely anonymous, badly-made internet blog. I'd go on (there are thousands of examples just from a cursory search), but I don't hate myself enough, so suffice it to say, if the Men's Rights Movement dies today, including such nutsstains like A Voice For Men, it will not be soon enough for all the damage that it has done to gender issues, including issues surrounding men. Lol, which is why you could get 2 links from AvFM, both of which involved some degree of misinterpretation (whether accidental or deliberate) on your part, and the rest were from obscure personal blogs and anonymous comments. Which is why it's only been in the last two years mens rights issues have being getting any kind of serious press, when MRA's stopped being polite and started organizing and campaigning effectively. And even the vilest elements of the Manosphere as a whole pale in comparison to this.
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Post by cheminhaler on Dec 20, 2013 11:38:41 GMT -5
MRM can also be 'mechanically recovered meat', so I can set up a meat-grinder in this thread too if you want. There are also more meat-grinders hidden in the Underhive.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 20, 2013 13:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 20, 2013 13:35:05 GMT -5
Anyway, TL/DR, the MRM/MRHM is a bunch of guys, and not insubstantial number of women whom, like myself, who are going "enough with this dying younger/being driven to suicide/conscripted/made unemployed/etc" affair. It is not about rolling back women's rights in the slightest, that's traditionalists, who, if you haven't noticed, want men to get married, make and support babies, work themselves to death, and generally roll back everyone's freedoms.
But why is it anti-feminist RT? Feminism is all nice and stuff.
Well, actually, because feminism, with it's concepts of patriarchy, and male oppression of females, is a pretty toxic ideology. This is not to say individual feminists are bad people, just wrong. Kind of like any other religious/political demographic with a wooly grasp on reality. The ideology in itself, however, is poisonous; it is just plain "Men have set up society to oppress women", which is:
1. Unprovable. At no point can a shred of evidence that it was men who exclusively shaped society. They make the mistake of assuming society is a top-down phenomenon, wherin institutions, governments and the ilk shape society, rather than society itself creating and shaping these institutions from the root up. 2. Ignores the hideous conditions endured by men in said past societies.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Dec 21, 2013 0:48:53 GMT -5
*Grabs popcorn*
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