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Post by emptyhat on Mar 31, 2014 18:24:15 GMT -5
But GW love multi-build kits. The Wyvern and the Griffon may have the same relationship in rules and kit as the Hellhound family.
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Post by gamma016 on Mar 31, 2014 18:28:19 GMT -5
I think if the griffon would be part of any kit it would be a dual with the basilisk, the hydra already had three varients (even if the model isn't that different). I doubt they would make a kit have that many varients, they might lose money.
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Post by yvain on Mar 31, 2014 18:50:02 GMT -5
There is also a Griffon variant on FW. So I think it is safe.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 31, 2014 18:55:43 GMT -5
Or... Those of us who have Griffons can just call them Wyverns and stick a thumb in GW's eyemeats.
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Post by Trickstick on Mar 31, 2014 19:31:28 GMT -5
Open topped hydras make me sad... First image.I have to decide between enclosed crew compartments (which go against my "no upgrades" style) or having to explain they are open topped every match...
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Mar 31, 2014 19:51:27 GMT -5
Ah, so the Wyvern is a Hydra that has had the barrels chopped off of its autocannons then... Hmm.
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Post by yvain on Mar 31, 2014 20:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by Julian Sharps on Mar 31, 2014 20:42:59 GMT -5
I can't say that the ISB fits well with the look of an armored force. I still stand by my assessment of the Wyvern. It's about time they used that name for a Guard tank.
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Post by vegna on Mar 31, 2014 21:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by yvain on Mar 31, 2014 22:32:50 GMT -5
I can't say that the ISB fits well with the look of an armored force. I still stand by my assessment of the Wyvern. It's about time they used that name for a Guard tank. What is ISB? I am not sure about the Wyvern. Ignore cover and shred are nice as is the extra plate, however it is still essentially a HWT Mortar section that cannot score and takes up the precious heavy support slots. Against orks with KFF it will destroy. Against guardsman it will do well. However, every other target it comes out behind the griffon.
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Post by Trickstick on Mar 31, 2014 23:47:54 GMT -5
I think the wyvern is much better than I have seen people give it credit for. It can put down 4 twin linked barrage shots, that gives you so much power when it comes to placing the blasts. This will be a pretty awesome sniping tool, as you can reliably stack wounds on exactly the models you want. A squadron of three will be insane. However, I hate working out multiple barrages so much that I will likely never take one, and make enemy wyverns my primary target.
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Post by dangerrod on Apr 1, 2014 1:00:59 GMT -5
...and if the griffon is going to change at all. I think that there is a decent chance that it will change to "not existing". I can't think of a single model in a recent codex that has not been a GW kit. Can anyone else think of one? It will probably stick around in FW books though. The Nids lost the Spore Pod and Doom completely from their dex, although GW never had a kit for either. Apart from that, JUST about all the 6th Edition dex's have models for each entry As for the Wyvern, I'm still not sold, for the local meta, it just wont cut it. Yeah against specific armies it'll destroy soom troops. BUT marines will just laugh it off as will most decent Eldar & tau players As for the Tuasux (ISB) I just cant find a use fo either, the paper thin armour is just appalling and the fire output for points is worrying! I'd have to side on the argument of wht release a whole new transport variant, when they could have done something like this with the chimera and just reboxed it!! I'm starting to get worried, we (IG) are about to get shafted by GW in this new dex!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 1, 2014 1:46:37 GMT -5
Ah, so the Wyvern is a Hydra that has had the barrels chopped off of its autocannons then... Hmm. GW Guy #1: "Aw, man, Ward got into the showcase models again!" GW Guy #2: "Damn! What's the damage this time?" GW Guy #1: "Looks like he gnawed all the barrels off the new Hydra." GW Guy #1: "Okay, don't panic, we can save this. We'll, uh, we'll pretend it's a new unit. GW Guy #1: "Brilliant!" And thus, the Wyvern was born.
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Post by treadiculous on Apr 1, 2014 4:20:01 GMT -5
"looks like he took a bite out the back of the hydra crew compartment too"
"make it open topped?"
"another brilliant suggestion!"
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 1, 2014 7:20:27 GMT -5
Reds and Tread are hill. Air. Eee. Us!
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Post by vegna on Apr 1, 2014 7:56:58 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried, we ( IG AM) are about to get shafted by GW in this new dex! also the wyvern/ hydra aren't really open topped but open backed.
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Post by yvain on Apr 1, 2014 13:30:45 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried, we (AM) IG are about to get shafted by GW in this new dex! also the wyvern/ hydra aren't really open topped but open backed.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Apr 1, 2014 23:14:55 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried, we ( IG AM) are about to get shafted by GW in this new dex! also the wyvern/ hydra aren't really open topped but open backed. You see a tank roll in wearing that sexy little AV 12...
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Apr 2, 2014 4:52:44 GMT -5
Man, if those stats are correct, I could retire my Eradicator and replace it with a pair of Wyverns, which would pretty quickly murder the Guard and Tau players in my area. For those too lazy to click the link above: HEAVY SUPPORT Wyvern Support Battery 1-3 Wyvern AV: 12/10/10 Stormshard Mortar: R:48" S:4 AP:6 Heavy 2, Barrage, Blast, Shred, Ignores Cover 65 Pts For a mere 130 points, dropping no fewer than 4 small blasts that against GEQs wound on 2s (and re-roll failures) and ignore cover saves and most GEQ armor, and you don't even need LOS to do it. If these stats pan out, the IGAC might start fielding some artillery and become a true combined arms force. ^This makes me sad. If that is the case then what is the point of fielding my Mortar HWS'?? I love those guys! Bless their cotton socks (All 10xbases worth )
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Apr 2, 2014 4:57:32 GMT -5
Ah, so the Wyvern is a Hydra that has had the barrels chopped off of its autocannons then... Hmm. ^And nailed it mate :/
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Apr 2, 2014 5:01:42 GMT -5
^And is it so hard to work provide new models for the Codex images??? Is it so hard to have a new model painted to throw in the Codex instead of recycling the ancient models that have been on the scene for a while?
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Post by Trickstick on Apr 2, 2014 6:19:22 GMT -5
If that is the case then what is the point of fielding my Mortar HWS'?? Well they score, and may get a bit cheaper.
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Apr 2, 2014 7:33:48 GMT -5
That is true however the way I see it Mortars generally camp in your own table quarter so they would only be contesting the very same table quarter that a large portion of my army occupies anyway. By the time Autocannon, Lascannon HWS' and my blobs protecting my Medusa's come into play the fact that Mortar HWS' score doesn't mean a great deal.
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Post by vegna on Apr 2, 2014 7:56:13 GMT -5
Guess it opens up the heavy slot.
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Post by gamma016 on Apr 4, 2014 4:44:59 GMT -5
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! They've done it, they are getting rid of Marbo! According to rumors on faeit 212 our little catachan friend is no more, possibly bein turned into a data slate. I think this is the beginning of the nerf to the imperial guard.
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