Magic the gathering and such.

[Paradill]

Just wondering how many if you wonderful miniature collectors also engage in playing magic the gathering and other such card games on a regular basis?

[Paimon]

I've been playing Magic forever. My current standard deck is a variation of Boros Burn that splashes black for Dreadbore, the Toil half of Toil and Trouble, and Erebos and Ultimate Price in the sideboard. The deck list is here.

[Paradill]

Awesome man, anyone else into it? Trying to gauge how many model collectors cross over to card formats.

[Casiarius]

I have been playing off and on since Fallen Empires. My group has gotten so we mostly play Commander/EDH these days.

[Adkenpachi]

My mates got me into the xbox version in 2012, played all since and have a collection of a few hundred to play for realsies... I use either lots of white health regen cards and auras or a memory deck (I have traumatise and jace, why wouldn't I do that? )

[RedsandRoyals]

Aug 29, 2014 16:39:16 GMT -5 Paradill said:

Awesome man, anyone else into it? Trying to gauge how many model collectors cross over to card formats.

There's a good bit of cross over between the two. I played briefly, and most of the 40k players in my area converted to Magic.

[Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four]

[Empirespy]

I tried it, but I didn't get many games in, and so I stopped.

[Kaikelx]

I actually play magic instead of 40k (never played 40k). To me, it was far easier to get initially started (I don't have to draw pictures on my cards), and I get more play value per buck than I ever could with 40k. Tournament level play is really expensive to get into, but for playing casually you can assemble some pretty good decks sticking with cheap commons and uncommons. I usually field modern decks, my area (or at least the three separate groups I play with) doesn't really care about standard all that much except for tournaments.

Most of the decks I own are modified/built off of a core of a bunch preconstructed decks (I think I bought 3 over time) supplemented by my 3 deckbuilder's toolkits. Since I have a pretty good base of cards from those, I've taken to just mail ordering specific cards to flush out my decks.

Let's see, off the top of my head I have:
-R/B Vampire (Throw out vampires and cheap burn to go for an early win. Need to figure out a good way to deal with enchantments though)
-W/G Heroic (pump everything with phalanx leaders and strive, then steamroll as fast as possible. Actually works pretty well in my area)
-W Angel swarm (Lifelink + Angelic Accord to swarm the field with angels. Thinking about picking up 4 Luminarch Ascensions/Entreat the Angels and splashing some blue in to protect my angel sources)
-G generic green deck (Ramp and stomp)
-R/U scry (Scry for burn miracles and to fire off massive damage riddle of lightnings. Thinking of modifying this soon)

Building:
-Izzet turn 4 win (throw out hceap sorceries/instants to buff up Nivix cyclops and take advantage of spellheart chimera and young pyromancer)
-W/G humans (innistrad era humans, so buff and mob basically)
-R/G werewolfs (mah reckless waif + mayor of avabruck combo. Also copies of moonmist to finish off the enemy before they get the mana to cast two spells per turn)
-Slivers (zerg)

I'm also planning on making a Splinter Twin deck and a Fauna Shaman reanimation deck eventually. So yeah, I'm pretty into MTG XD

[Paimon]

Kai, are you using Trading Post in your Angel Swarm Deck? Because it seems to work well in standard with Angelic Accord. My own modern deck is pretty budget, but I did manage to acquire two fetch lands, so that's a plus. Kai, my deck is here what do you think?

[Kaikelx]

I didn't use Trading Post not just because of lack of theme, but because that it doesn't really fit in well mechanically either. With trading post, I have to discard a card to gain 4 life to get the angel. That means I'm losing a card that I thought was good enough to be in the deck in the first place, and I don't have any discard fodder in my deck. Virtually none of my deck cards interact with the graveyard (I'm not running "Defy Death" because my main power comes from tokens). Also, discarding cards for life is all I can do with trading post, and I'd much rather have another set of lifelink creatures that can help attack/block (and provide incentive for me to harass the opponent) while I'm assembling my Angel army. I've already packed my decklist with so much lifegain/link that throwing cards away to get more is somewhat wasteful XD


As for your decklist,the first thing I noticed is your deck is not legal. You need a minimum of 60 cards, you only have 58. 20 land is cutting it low, even for a fast deck, so I would recommend throwing in two plains.

You should find replacements for Bant sureblade and Jund Hackblade. They're dead cards, you have no way to get those onto the field that I can see at all. Also, you're Naya. Not Bant or Jund . Try Flinthoof boars/Woolly Thoctars if you can, or literally any other W/G/R.

Other than that, try and find some people to playtest against. Give some thought if Selesnya charms would work at all in your deck, the +2/+2 and trample right after they assign their blockers can really help clear their field, and let's you swing with "weaker" creatures. I might switch out lightning bolt for three Selsyna charms to help your creatures out in combat as well, but that would leave your red mana even more awkward than it already is.


Just as a note, I'm not really fond of three mana decks in the first place, especially since most can be trimmed down to a much more efficient/consistent 2 color deck instead.

[Paimon]

The physical version of the deck is definitely 60 cards, and definitely has 22 lands. I don't how I accidentally removed two lands.

Trading Post lets you use your opponent's end step to pop out Angels. The standard Angelic Accord/Trading Post deck used the Festering Newt/Bogbrew Witch/Bubbling Cauldron combo along with Orzhov Charm to recycle the Newts or act as removal as needed. Edit: Trading Post lets you pay one life for a goat, Cauldron lets you sac the goat for four life, netting you an angel and three life for 2 mana.

If you look again, you'll see that Bant Sureblade, and Jund Hackblade use hybrid mana for their costs, and thus are cost WG or RG in my deck. Jund Hackblade in particular is one of the better cards in the deck, especially as playing Burning Tree Emissary gets it out for free. A Militant turn one means that I'm attacking for five turn two, a fully powered up Nacatl and BTE into hackblade is an attack for 6 turn two. Bant Sureblade wins combat against pretty much everything in it's CMC range, including the Boar. The boar doens't synergize at all with the Knight of New Alara who gives all of the 'Shard blades' +3/+3, and a 6/5 with an ability for 2 is good even in Modern.

[Kaikelx]

My bad on those two, the little mana symbols fuzzed out and it looked like it costed black/blue mana. So that takes back my creature suggestions to fill a non-existant hole.

As for trading post, again, I like to build my decks around theme. Splashing black would be effective, but goes against my image for the deck. I will consider adding at least two copies of trading post in though, thanks for the sheep cycling sacrifice trick. Although if I do that, I'm going to be really tempted to back in brindle boars as well, simply for the amusement of watching Angels be lured by the scent of bacon and lamp chops. I also plan on adding Luminarch Ascension to the deck. I mostly play multiplayer free for alls in my area, and Ascension usually activates on one pass around the table.

Because of my enchantment heavy deck, I'd rather splash in blue in because theme (Azorius fits well with the angels), and access to methods to protect my enchantments from removal/board wipes. It also gives me access to Azorius charm for massive lifelink/making them waste mana, and helps me take care of anything my 4/4 angels can't handle.

I'm still debating whether or not to throw in two copies of Entreat the Angels as a finisher

[Kassill]

What are you guys thinking of Khans so far? Personally liking it better than Theros, both in theme and play. Thinking about doing a cheap Warrior Tribal. Loving the whole "Mongolian Warrior" vibe from the Mardu. Also really like Temur. Played them at the pre-release. Jeskai seem like they are getting all the love though.

[ElegaicRequiem]

Magic was huge in my area for a short time. Yugioh was pretty big, but the only thing to survive time is Pokemon. Pokemon will outlive the apocalypse. It's a freaking shame, too. I bet if my cards were legal (being from the dark ages,) I'd soundly smash all these kids. If there one thing Yugioh taught me, it's how to build a strategy into a deck of cards.

[Adkenpachi]

Aint seen a pokemon card in 15 years :/

As for new magic, their vastly OP compared to 2014 and earlier... one of the new ones coming out I saw on facebook was ridiculous! Something like a 3/5 which makes all enemies tap when hes attacking and has a pay 4 mana and return him from EXILE to the battlefield!! Only costs 5 to bring out too.... fornicateing ridiculous.

Just bought a booster box for £80

[Adkenpachi]

Oh, and hes flying.

[Kassill]

Is he one of the Dragons?

@req: Yeah Pokemon is ridiculous. Few of my friends back home picked it up after playing both yugioh and Magic for years and not having played Pokemon since we were kids.

[Paimon]

There are two things that tap things when you attack, one of the dragons makes it so that whenever a dragon of yours attacks, it taps a thing, and that thing doesn't untap during it's controller's next untap step. The other is Torrent Elemental and is a jerk. But it's only a 3/5, it dodges most burn, but killing it sends it to the graveyard rather than exile. Monastery Mentor and Soulfire Grand Master are both much better in my opinion. Monastery Mentor is currently a $30 card for a reason.

[ElegaicRequiem]

I remember when some of my Pokemon and Yugioh cards were worth three digits a pop.

...

Curses.

[Adkenpachi]

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[Paimon]

This is what I'm thinking my deck will look like after Fate Reforged hits, though with more Alesha, Who Smiles at Death.

[Kassill]

Jan 7, 2015 13:39:38 GMT -5 Paimon said:

This is what I'm thinking my deck will look like after Fate Reforged hits, though with more Alesha, Who Smiles at Death.

Brutal.

Adkenpachi: OH ok, yeah I was thinking of the UW dragon.

[Woz]

Wow this takes me back some. Played it from about '94 to '97, still got my cards somewhere.

[Paimon]

That era might net you a large sum of money. The Dual Lands from back then weren't nearly so valued as they should have been, and can be sold for several hundred dollars each. If you've got a Black Lotus sitting around, that can be anywhere from $5000 to $8000 if it's in good condition.