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Post by treadiculous on Oct 26, 2014 15:05:45 GMT -5
Hi, I once read a statement on a forum (possibly this one) which stated that the the valkyrie had obvious inspiration and heritage. I can't work out what they thought was obvious and it has nagged away for the past few years. What do you think inspired the design of the valkyrie? (i guess you can look at cargo planes with twin rear fins, and also helicopters.. heck there may be some sci-fi VTOL craft that I'm missing the 'obvious' reference to) eg: i.ytimg.com/vi/GnwOHjdCehA/maxresdefault.jpgany thoughts (with pictures and links) most welcome? |
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Post by emptyhat on Oct 26, 2014 16:06:46 GMT -5
Your face.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 26, 2014 16:36:16 GMT -5
It's sort of a frakenbird, to be honest. The cockpit resembles that of an attack helicopter, particularly a Eurocopter Tiger. Several aircraft have used the twin tail boom arrangement, most famously the P-38 Lighting, but also in aircraft like the De Havilland Sea Vixon. I'm not sure of any aircraft that uses the gull wing arrangement and wide body like the Valk does. Honestly, I don't think the Valkyrie really draws from any one aircraft. I think they just nailed together bits they liked. Edit: That one you posted looks like an aircraft the Israelis used to fly. |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Oct 26, 2014 17:22:18 GMT -5
It also has some inspiration taken from the UD-4L Cheyenne dropship used by the Colonial Marines in "Aliens", which makes sense since legend has it that James Cameron bodged the concept model of it together out of a bunch of attack helicopter and other aircraft model kits during the pre-production phase of the movie. |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 26, 2014 20:10:43 GMT -5
I think it's probably a safer bet that the Cheyenne and the Valk drew inspiration from the same sorts of things; attack helos, Vietnam air cav, etc.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Oct 26, 2014 23:10:26 GMT -5
/thread But seriously, it's like a P-61 that has gull wings and a troop compartment, but with a more modern, Apache helicopter aesthetic. No sense in trying to figure out anything about GW's design inspirations. They gave us the space fish duo of doom. |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 27, 2014 0:23:38 GMT -5
Req has a point. Aside from the Rhino family (which is essentially an M113) and the Russ family (which is actually based off a model kit for a French WWII tank), GW has done a decent job of coming up with more or less original models that only have vaguely similar design features to modern or historical vehicles. Not saying they're good looking, just that they're fairly original.
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Post by emptyhat on Oct 27, 2014 1:36:29 GMT -5
The current Rhino might be an M113 but the old one was an upside down skip. I like GW vehicles though, they tend to look like something that would be built in the dark ages of the future.  |
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Post by sirbebox on Oct 27, 2014 3:41:57 GMT -5
To me I think its the Baby of a Black hawk and a Apache.
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Post by jenburdoo on Oct 27, 2014 7:27:31 GMT -5
The Conwing L-16 Sea Duck from Talespin!  Which was a cross between a Grumman Goose and a C-82. It's basically an Apache with troop compartment and wings. There have also been things like it in a few videogames. The Vulture variant drops the troop compartment. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Oct 27, 2014 15:11:07 GMT -5
Ye gods, Talespin! Now I want to see JungleBook characters as the various primarchs.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Oct 27, 2014 15:30:22 GMT -5
I think it's probably a safer bet that the Cheyenne and the Valk drew inspiration from the same sorts of things; attack helos, Vietnam air cav, etc. Aaaaaand you totally missed the point in my reply where I stated that James Cameron apparently built the prototype of the Cheyenne out of a bunch of attack helicopter and other aircraft kits in an epic kitbash.  And it's not as if GW hasn't copied ideas from "Aliens" in the past. *Cough*The original metal Cadians!*Cough* *Cough*The original metal Hormagaunts!*Cough* |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Oct 27, 2014 17:32:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I was mostly talking about this part... As a whole, though, I'd say the Cheyenne and the Valk don't look all that similar. The Valk does a pretty good job of breaking away from the standard Sci-fi drop ship mould that you see with Aliens, HALO, Avatar, etc. Partially thanks to the twin tail booms, wide wings, and the large engines arranged on top, it looks much more like a proper plane to me. |
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Post by majorjav on Dec 18, 2014 12:49:14 GMT -5
I go for the Russian MI24 Hind in terms of firepower, armour and transport capacity.
As for design, a bit of the MI24 (pylons, pilot and copilot seats, forward facing gun) and a bit of the P61 (agree with ElegaicRequiem)...
Mix these two and you have a Valkyrie!!
Just my 2 sents!
Cheers
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Dec 19, 2014 17:09:42 GMT -5
It's an Mi-24 in function, with a Tigre's cockpit, Sea Vixen's tail and a Harrier's wings.
Like the Chimera is a BMP, the Rhino a FV432, the Predator is actually an FV432 RARDEN with the Fox Armoured Car turret, the Russ is Captain Baguete's First Colouring in Tank, the Malcador is a Mark IV/I and the Taurox is an incredibly nuts looking Mastiff/Viking clone.
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Which was a cross between a Grumman Goose and a C-82.
