2000 Pt DKoK on conparison... Need advise

[highlander74]

Hi,

After my first step into Krieg list, I spent last two days wondering on them, perfecting and planning new lists, although I cannot reach a firm decision about which kind of list is best to use (Siege, or Assault Brigade)... These two is what I got for both the possibility and I see weakness and goodness in both of them. Obviously the Siege list lack of mobility and I don't know if 60 men could be enough to grab objectives here and there across the field especially in standard mission, where I need to hold them and not just grab one for a turn like in Maelstrom. On the other hand the recycle of the troops in the assault Brigade is good in standard missions to consolidate closest objectives, but not to run a second time to the distant ones.; letting only Grenadiers and Engineers to hold their ground far away from the safety of their trench...
Both lists have a decent punch with artillery, with a prevalence for the Siege list (Obviously).
My usual opponents play Chaos (Loth of T6, bike, Walkers ecc ecc), Tyr (HOrde with a bunch of MC and a duo of Flying Hive Tyr), Eldar (Lot of D weapon with Ghost Formation and the psy-fighter, or Lot of Aspect Warriors with all their nonsense super extra rules)

There they are:

SIEGE LIST  2000 Pt

HQ
Command + 1 Melta + Master of Ordenance

ELITE
3 Thudd Guns

10 Grenadiers + 2 Melta + H. Flamer  

10 Grenadiers + 2 Melta + H. Flamer

TROOPS
Command Platoon Squad
Rifle Squad
Rifle Squad
Rifle Squad
Rifle Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer
3 Lascannon

5 Engineer + Melta
Centaur

5 Engineer + Melta
Centaur

10 Engineer + Flamer + H. Flamer

FAST
Hell Hound

HEAVY
Medusa Emplacement

Medusa Emplacement

Leman Russ Conqueror + 3 HB

FORTIFICATION
Aegis Defence Line


Plan is to use the 60 men as cannon folder and to march in no men's land, grabbing Earlier Objectives (In maelstrom) and then die for the emperor. Engineer and Grenadier are there for counterattack, destroy veichles, or hold the ground till the end. Medusa for heavy infantry and Quad Gun for the light one. The only really mobile units are the small engineer which will try to hide till the last moment and then run for a far objective being troops with OS.


ASSAULT BRIGADE  2000 Pt

HQ
Command + 2 Melta

ELITE
2 Griffon with Carcass Shell

10 Engineer + 1 Melta + Carcass Shell
Hades Drill

TROOP
Platoon Command Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad
Rifle Squad

Platoon Command Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer

Platoon Command Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer
Rifle Squad + Flamer

10 Grenadieer + 2 Melta + H. Flamer
Storm Chimera

10 Grenadier + 2 Melta + H. Flamer
Storm Chimera

FAST
Hellhound

HEAVY
3 Heavy Mortars

3 Lascannons

Leman Russ Conqueror + HB 

Plan is to advance with a couple of infantry platoon seeking death (if I declare Forlon Hope), the rest of the army advance slowly, probably letting the third platoon behind to protect artillery for a couple of turns. Chimera do not rush for objective but support infantry along with the Russ and the Hell Hound, and then try to counterattack every threat that could drop from the sky, trample my front infantry ecc ecc. Russ and Hellhound, if still alive may run here and there (thanks to be fast) to grab objectives...



Both list seams to me good, and bot like me very, very much! Need advise from experience player and from DKoK general who are... :Dstill alive eh eh eh

[highlander74]

No one??

[treadiculous]

A good couple of list you are presenting.

I feel you need more ranged anti-tank and more anti-air units.

You do have a lot of close range high powered wargear, my concern is that you'll struggle to get it to the target.


How powerful are the heavy mortars and thudd guns?

I would think a kreig list would be able to generate a lot of large blast barrage ordnance (which I love) and this can rain misery upon your opponent,



I would stick to the strengths of the army (defense and barrage) and focus on preventing your opponent reaching midfield objectives rather than attempting to get them yourself.

In fact, use the midfield objectives as bait so that the enemy try to close within range of your guns.

I'd get more lascannons, barrage units and field at least 2 anti-air units (massed heavy weapons with a twin linked rule works well).

[highlander74]

Heavy mortars are Str 6 VP4. Real problem with Krieg is that Lascannon come in a slot of Heavy weapon and have only T3, so easy prey of every weapon with str6 or more. Different could be Rapier, but the take me an Elite slot. Anti air come only with hydra flak vehicle in the assault brigade and Platform in the siege list. For now I'm using a quad gun in the Egida, I may think on a Thunderbolt, lot of point tough

[treadiculous]

I would advise that these options are worth taking, while heavy squads are T3, they are also small enough to get decent cover. Field two or more to ensure you have good coverage of the table. Hydra are well known to reliable anti-air and can shoot ground targets too.


Can you run multiple detachments with Krieg?

[highlander74]

Yes I can, but I change both list after some tests, these two are what I run last two games and I obliterate a Space wolves Army and nearly tabled a Chaos Army:

SIEGE
CCS + 2 Melta + Master of Ordenance

ELITE
10 Grenadiers + 2 Melta
10 Engineers + Flamer + H. Flamer on Hades Breaching Drill
3 Heavy Mortars

TROOPS
PCS + Flamer
3 Squad + 3 Flamer
3 Squad

3 Lascannon

5 Engineers + Melta(or Heavy Flamer) on Centaur
5 Engineers + Melta(or Heavy Flamer) on Centaur

FAST
9 Death Riders

HEAVY
Medusa
Medusa
2 Earthshaker

FORTIFICATION
Egida Line + Quad Gun

ASSAULT

HQ
CCS + 1 Melta

ELITE
10 Engineers + H. Flamer + Flamer + Carcass Shell
1 Griffon + Carcass Shell

TROOPS
PCS
2 x Rifle

PCS + Flamer
3 x Rifle + Flamer

10 Grenadiers + 2 Melta on Storm Chimera
10 Grenadiers + 2 Plasma on Storm Chimera

FAST
9 Death Riders

HEAVY
2 SP Medusa
1 Thunderer
3 Heavy Mortars

Both are largely better in AT asset and

[treadiculous]

good stuff there, I approve of multiple earthshaker!