1850 All Comers List (Kurov's Aquila Sub Note)

[drbolts]

Hello, Guard... err Astra Militarum Generals.
I've been working on this list for a while and I'm building the models as I go.
I've been playing Guard in 4th and 5th edition only.
I wanted to drop in and see if you had and guidance on how well this list would work in theory or if you had any suggestions for me.
Keep in mind I've never played a game in 7th edition and all these psychic shenanigans have me somewhat vexed (cue Culexus).

The general plan is to use the Executioner, Command Squad in Chimera and Plasma Squads in Chimera to be the Midfield Mobile contingent when needed.
The Vendettas with Special Weapons Squad and Platoon Command and the Culexus would be the Endfield aggressors (In your base killin' your dudes).
The rest of the army would be the Backfield fire base. Roughriders would either roll with the Midfielders as a mobile counter charge unit or stay in the Backfield to deny Deepstrike and be a counter charge unit.

Also, I've read over the rules a few times and I'm making a call here that Kurov's Aquila works in, out and into Chimeras. So I am assuming the Company Commander can extend Preferred enemy from inside his Chimera to other Chimeras and to units Embarked in other Chimeras. Does anyone have thought or experience with this?

HQ
Company Command Squad w/ Kurov’s Aquila, Officer of the Fleet, 2xMelta Guns
Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer

Enginseer

Troops
Platoon Command Squad w/ Melta Bombs, Heavy Flamer, 2xFlamer

Special Weapons Squad w/ 2xFlamers and a Demolition Charge

Infantry Squad w/ Boltgun and Plasma Gun
Priest w/ Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer

Infantry Squad w/ Boltgun and Plasma Gun
Priest w/ Plasma Gun
Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer

Platoon Command Squad w/ Boltgun and Autocannon

Infantry Squad w/ Boltgun and Autocannon
Infantry Squad w/ Boltgun and Autocannon
Priest

Fast Attack
Vendetta
Vendetta
Roughriders

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Executioner w/ Plasma Sponsons w/Heavy Bolter
Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ Heavy Flamer
Hydra w/ Heavy Flamer

Assassin Detachment
Culexus Assassin

1850 pts

Any thoughts?

[yvain]

You gotta get rid of those points costs. I think it is against the forum rules.

I believe the Aquila works how you state. However, mounted like you are you will probably not get enough use out of it. Also you just aren't getting enough units near by to make the price worth it. It works best behind an Aegis line with a blob of infantry and artillery.

In the same vien priests are not worth it here. Your guardsmen are more likely to die before they are of much use. Drop the priests and shift over to Veteran squads witht he change and take 3 plasma or 3 melta.

Rough Riders are terrible. So are Hydras. You don't need a Hydra you have two Vendettas.

Plasma Sponsons aren't really worth it. And they don't really match weapon profile. The AC is more of a light vehicle killer, the PC is for anti heavy infantry. Leman Russ tanks are also too expensive ther eis no point make that one even more expensive.

[drbolts]

Thanks for the tip. I apologize to the Emperor's servants for providing points costs.
My post has been cleansed by the Emperor's fire.

I appreciate the feedback!
I'm trying something a little different in this list by going with three distinctly different elements; back, middle and end fields. Oh and also trying not to go with a static gun line for the entire army but with the freedom to do so if I choose. I watch a lot of Battle Reports and every time I see a Guard Player pull an objective that is in the mid to back field and he just shrugs as he points to his static gunline, I shake my head.


Priest on the footsloggers (especially in a 20 man blob) keeps them fearless and alive long enough for Roughriders and Enginseer to counter charge if required.

The priests in the chimera squads are meant to add the extra plasma shots out the top hatch and keep the infantry fearless from losing 25% in shooting when they are on the objectives. This unit is very experimental and I have no idea if it will work in practice but you do raise interesting points. I've often wondered why Generals run more than 2 special weapons in a Chimera when only 2 can fire out the top. Any idea?

Vendettas are my Anti-Tank units and their Secondary role is Anti-Flyer if there are multiples I can't kill with the Hydra.
Hydra is Anti-Flyer/Skimmer/Transport. At 72" and with split fire from the Enginseer (PoTMS), I can't see a better option. Can you?

Plasma Sponsons... Very interesting. You are the first person I have heard say that Plasma Sponsons on an Executioner aren't worth it. Especially since it will be hanging within range of the Aquila which will hopefully prevent the weapons from Getting Hot.I'd love to hear your fresh perspective on this. Why do you think they aren't worth it?

I want to try it and lose big or win big. I'll probably lose a lot.
Any idea of what type of armies will give me the most trouble?