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Post by andres on May 13, 2016 10:05:02 GMT -5
GIVEN DEATH FROM THE SKIES IS THE VENDETTA STILL LEGAL ?
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Post by emptyhat on May 13, 2016 19:50:49 GMT -5
If it doesn't have a profile then you might have some trouble shoehorning it into the new rules. I assume you'd give it the same stats as a Valk. But it is still in the IG codex so that gives it a feeling of legality and are you really going to play with people who say you can't use units in your current codex?
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 14, 2016 1:04:32 GMT -5
Why would it be illegal?
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Post by emptyhat on May 14, 2016 11:48:35 GMT -5
The new Death from the Skies rules don't state that they are optional. So a bunch of people are claiming they are now the standard rules for flyers. DftS doesn't have a profile for the Vendetta (or any FW flyers).
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Post by andres on May 14, 2016 13:07:18 GMT -5
Ergo untill fw updates its rules we lack one of the best units. After that those playing in a fw free environment are still in trouble. Truly with that and the death of preffered enemy executioner our codex got a serious hit ....
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 14, 2016 14:03:21 GMT -5
So a bunch of people are claiming they are now the standard rules for flyers. Which means bunch of people are idiots, or at least trying to ruin things for others. I thought these things went under the assumption that, unless they're a codex THE rulebook, they're not mandatory. Isn't that how it always has worked?
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Post by gamma016 on May 14, 2016 14:14:57 GMT -5
I have yet to see the new book, but are the flyrant, or flying deamon princes or even the cold star battle suit in there? If not then I'd call shinanigans on their ruling.
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Post by emptyhat on May 14, 2016 18:47:31 GMT -5
So a bunch of people are claiming they are now the standard rules for flyers. Which means bunch of people are idiots, or at least trying to ruin things for others. I thought these things went under the assumption that, unless they're a codex THE rulebook, they're not mandatory. Isn't that how it always has worked? Eh, it's probably not my problem either way.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 17, 2016 15:58:12 GMT -5
Codex overrules rulebook, and definitely overrules supplements. Unless GW specifically states the Vend is out, then it ain't out.
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Post by emptyhat on May 17, 2016 16:20:13 GMT -5
The people using the Vendetta are also not keen on using it as a: Pursuit 1, Agility 3, Attack Flyer. Which are the Valk's DftS profile.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 17, 2016 17:41:53 GMT -5
Well, it's the same airframe with the same rough payload, so...if shoe fits...wear it.
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Post by emptyhat on May 17, 2016 18:05:33 GMT -5
Yup. But people have become used to it being a decent AA/AT choice. I think it is stuck snap firing vs flyers on the table and is probably junk in the off table dog fights. (Which will be easier to gauge once people play some games with them.)
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Post by treadiculous on May 18, 2016 4:43:10 GMT -5
I think the issue is that the Death From The Skies book states it 'replaces' rules in the existing rulebook - this gives people of certain thinking a sense of credibility which should be ignored in favour of playing a game that your opponent is willing to play.
It comes down to the 'house rules' vs tournament arguement - in most situations the game is played for fun and the rules can be loose, forgotten or drafted in for the game, in tournaments the organiser of the tournament will decide the set of rulings.
As long as all players understand the rules prior to choosing their armies there isn't really a problem.
All I can gather is that the dakkajet is better against air units and the valkyrie is more of a ground support transport - which makes sense.
As for the Vendetta I guess we'll wait and see.
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Post by gamma016 on May 18, 2016 5:39:34 GMT -5
I recently watched a frontline gaming video talking about the new book and they said that people have asked GW about the Vandetta and GW's response was basically whoops we forgot and said to just use the Valkyrie rules for the Vandetta.
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Post by andres on May 19, 2016 0:51:16 GMT -5
GW you had one job .....
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Post by Adkenpachi on May 19, 2016 4:58:47 GMT -5
But to use the valkyrie rules you will have to purchase a court order from GW for £50.
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Post by andres on May 20, 2016 3:06:16 GMT -5
Well as far as court orders go that would be quiet cheap. Though if you wish for the administratum approved one with golden leaf, wax seal and written in the blood of martyrs you shoul opt for the exclusive limited 1000$ edition
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 21, 2016 12:38:19 GMT -5
I'm a renegade. I can get martyr's blood cheaply.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 21, 2016 19:03:17 GMT -5
RT lived in South Africa. He knows how to pirate anything. Including pirates.
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Post by solidog on May 22, 2016 4:30:28 GMT -5
I spoke to my local gamesworkshop and the guy said that the vendetta will be out in a forge world update so you will need to buy death from the skies and then probably a new volume of aeronautica so I will have to pay £80 just to use me vendettas that sound as though they will be less effective than they used to be. Cheers G.W
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Post by emptyhat on May 22, 2016 10:06:44 GMT -5
Don't forget that to replace the air superiority void its left you'll be wanting to buy a Thunderbolt, or Lightning, or possible an Avenger. And of course you'll want the wing bonus so you'll need at least two. But at least you'll have the rules for them in the same book as the Vendetta
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Post by andres on May 23, 2016 8:48:21 GMT -5
Never thought of using allies untill now. Now i think that a couple of aa skitarii onagers would be fun, could anti air some interceptor plus vy not taking flyers you make those enemy fliers useless. What do you think?
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Post by emptyhat on May 23, 2016 15:13:15 GMT -5
If the enemy has flyers in reserve and you don't then you get -1 to reserve rolls. Assuming you are using the DftS rules.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 23, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -5
RT lived in South Africa. He knows how to pirate anything. Including pirates. I am the only gunship pirate.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 23, 2016 18:34:56 GMT -5
Don't forget that to replace the air superiority void its left you'll be wanting to buy a Thunderbolt, or Lightning, or possible an Avenger. And of course you'll want the wing bonus so you'll need at least two. But at least you'll have the rules for them in the same book as the Vendetta Using a tank-hunting gunship in an ASF role is absurd. You might as well suggest using a Lancaster.
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