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Post by syphon on Aug 21, 2016 9:15:51 GMT -5
So a friend of mine told me that GW has something new in the works: WH40K: End Times.
How much of this is true?
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Post by nutty on Aug 21, 2016 10:26:19 GMT -5
There's a couple of rumors going about that there will be a mumber of big campaign books (5-9 depending on the source) that will look like a mix between the 40k campaign books. (Damocles, Sanctus Reach, etc.) Each of these campaigns is said to focus on two or three of the main factions fighting each other.
- Daemons invading the webway
- A new Black Crusade
- each of the xenos races launching a massive invasion. (One aimed at Fenris)
The fluff in these books will further the 40k timeline in a way similar to how the Endtimes book worked for fantasy. And introduce new units. There's a lot of talk about (Daemon)primarchs coming to 40k, and new big units for other races; like the Glottkin, Nagash, etc.
This is supposed to lead up to a new edition of the 40k ruleset. But the impact will not be as extreme as the release of AoS: both rules & fluffwise.
But these are all rumors so we don't know if they are true untill things are released.
The fluff in Deathmasque appears to support some of those rumors though.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 21, 2016 12:47:18 GMT -5
I've heard the daemon primarchs too, as well as loyalist primarchs. The current rumor is four of each being involved. The idea is to move the doomsday clock on the setting to 1 minute to midnight with Nids closing on Baal, Ghazkull putting together an enormous WAAAAGH, and Chaos forces launching an assault toward Terra. The Imperium is hard pressed, but isn't down and out yet. Given that 40k is a much more unique IP (and therefore easily defended in court), it won't be completely blown up in the way that Fantasy was. The campaign books Nutty mentioned are alleged to be Eldar vs Chaos.
As Nutty said, this will tie into 8th Ed, although the setting for 8th will be mostly taking stock of all this rather than Terra exploding or whatever. Rulsewise, 8th is supposed to be much simpler (but not quite as much as AoS).
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 21, 2016 18:32:25 GMT -5
"Ghazkull putting together an enormous WAAAAGH," The 7th edition Ghazkull supplement has already started establishing this in fluff. Take from that what you will.
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Post by syphon on Aug 22, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
"Ghazkull putting together an enormous WAAAAGH," The 7th edition Ghazkull supplement has already started establishing this in fluff. Take from that what you will. That, I did know. So it's unlikely the Emperor will actually die? |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 22, 2016 13:08:38 GMT -5
Unlikely but not impossible. Common sense (Imperium can't warp travel without the Emperor really) and the other hints about what'll happen (why would Chaos drive on Terra if the Emperor is already dead?) imply he won't die, but that hasn't always stopped GW from doing something stupid. I think the return of the missing Loyalist Primarchs (Russ, Khan, Vulkan, Corax, possibly the Lion and Guilliman), and the Daemon primarchs on the march will be main form of escalation.
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Post by nutty on Aug 22, 2016 13:26:44 GMT -5
I doubt they'll kill the Emperor, but I wouldnt be surprised if some famous named characters would die.
After all they killed Aun'va in Mont'ka; which paved the way for the Farsight Enclaves strengthening ties with the Tau Empire, and it wouldn't be surprising if the two Tau factions would join up in order to push deeper into Imperial space.
So I'd guess they might kill a few chapter masters, and named characters from other races. The Primarchs returning would mean there is less need for a chapter master anyway.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 22, 2016 14:02:45 GMT -5
I have a sneaking suspicion Cadia might bite it, since it's still under a full court press by Chaos and they need to neutralize it before they can really launch a campaign at Terra.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 22, 2016 17:00:40 GMT -5
Losing Cadia? Christ.
*Radios Ymmot.*
"Dig faster. We may need Macharius' corpse after all."
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Post by nutty on Aug 22, 2016 17:04:14 GMT -5
Losing Cadia? Now that's an interesting option... would mean they'd have to rename the Cadian plastics.. or release new kits  |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 22, 2016 18:24:52 GMT -5
Not necessarily. There are so many Cadian regiments all over the place that they could still exist in significant numbers. The Cadians may also control sufficient worlds in the rest of the sector to not be down and out. Again, this is pure speculation, but it seems like a possibility. That or Cadia is blockaded and the Chaos forces just go 'TROLOLOLO!" as they go by.
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 23, 2016 18:43:33 GMT -5
Back in third when they were pushing/establishing Black Templars as a thing it seemed as though they were supposed to have an important role in any 40k style End Times. A fanatical chapter that did big crusades and whose first loyalty was to their interpretation of the faith, in violation of the Codex Astartes to the point that they were around the size of an old style Legion and with the ominous quote that "if ever the full might of the crusades assembled with one goal they might even have the power to fight their way through all the Imperial forces between them and the throne of Terra"*
Which made it sound like they were the perfect plot tool should it be revealed to them that the Emperor needed to die in order to be reborn, or walk among them again. Of course it seems as though their fluff has drifted away from that quite a bit since then.
*not the direct quote but the jist of it.
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Post by treadiculous on Aug 24, 2016 7:49:00 GMT -5
interesting..
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Post by nutty on Aug 24, 2016 11:34:17 GMT -5
Didn't the 13th company show up to kick butt during one of the black crusades? I'm sure they'll be back (with 'optional' heresy-era gear) if the rumors about Leman Russ are true.
That and it ought to be time they wake up the Lion... that guy has been napping for like 10,000 years now.
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Post by syphon on Sept 4, 2016 10:00:53 GMT -5
Didn't the 13th company show up to kick butt during one of the black crusades? I'm sure they'll be back (with 'optional' heresy-era gear) if the rumors about Leman Russ are true. That and it ought to be time they wake up the Lion... that guy has been napping for like 10,000 years now. I agere with this. Mainly because of my interpretation of the End Times of 40K is that the Emperor does die and the only person who comes close to being able to replace him is the Lion. |
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