Rules concerning orders

[andres]

Dear Friends
I have a question concerning orders. Can platoon or company commanders issue orders to tempestus scions squads when said squads have been taken as part of an astra militarum force (not as part of an allied detachment).

Furthermore I am designing an army list using the cadian battle group rules. I wish to know if certain command benefits (24 order range) apply to scions platoon taken as an auxiliary force.

Thank you in advance

[nutty]

Hey Anders,


For the first part of your question: yes, a platoon/company commander may issue orders to scions taken from the AM codex.

As for the second part: the 24" range is a command benefit and only applies to company commanders you take as part of a 'battle group command'(hq formation) so the tempestor will not benefit from that increased range.

Hope that answers your questions

[andres]

My questions have been perfectly answered. Thank you.
I was wishing to use my scions for some time now but I always found it difficult to do it since most of my plans involved them being able to take some of the senior officer orders after deep striking behind the enemy.
With a 24' range of orders that may be possible now and I also get to use the Cadian formations which is nice.

[solidog]

If you are thinking of running your scions may I recommend running them as an allied detachment because the orders from the scion codex are much better you can give them twin linked, preferred enemy or rending and it really can make them that much more effective.

[andres]

Well I have heard that point before. Although I have not tried running them as an allied detachement I think that would be inferior for several reasons. 1) They would not benefit from the command bonuses (orders at 24' with test at the lowest of 3d6) 2) They would not get the fire drill (always reroll 1s to hit) 3) I think that standard IG orders are at least as valid as MT ones (ignore cover, get back to the fight, tank/monster hunter, shoot then run) at least for the use I would like to make for them.

[nutty]

I've looked at the MT in the past but I can't say I'm tempted to try them. Most of the orders seem lackluster to me. Twin-linked is nice on special weapons and all, but the rest.. I'd rather have the AM orders.

[andres]

Tried some tempestus scions in the cadian battlegroup last week. Was not disappointed. The 24' range and 3 dice leadership for orders (command benefits) along with the reroll 1s when shooting HS lasguns made a world of difference. Cover ignoring HS lasguns can exterminate marines really well. Scions PCS with special weapons and the Tank hunter order can really destroy most vehicles.
I think that I shall bring more scions in future armies

[nutty]

Nov 22, 2016 7:40:19 GMT -5 andres said:

Tried some tempestus scions in the cadian battlegroup last week. Was not disappointed. The 24' range and 3 dice leadership for orders (command benefits) along with the reroll 1s when shooting HS lasguns made a world of difference. Cover ignoring HS lasguns can exterminate marines really well. Scions PCS with special weapons and the Tank hunter order can really destroy most vehicles.
I think that I shall bring more scions in future armies

I've started using them like that aswell, they work wonders Between ignores cover, tank/monster hunter, and FRFSRF they perform well against most targets.

They've been doing so well I'm even considering buying them a taurox, to transport a 10-man squad. The 5-man squads I'm using now are often a few wounds short of killing a unit completely, and the return fire sure hurts.

[andres]

Well For any invent or purpose scions are suicide squads or objective grabers. Should you go for the second choice maxing out (and employing a commissar) helps.