Enough practice

[sirbebox]

So you all had time to get to learn 8th now it's time to post your list ideas. Let the ideas flow....

[RedsandRoyals]

I've been meaning to throw together some theoryhammer lists for my Marines. Are we talking 2k points?

[sirbebox]

Anything really just want to see ideas other people are coming up with

[Paimon]

This is what I'm thinking.


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ HQ +

Lord Commissar: Plasma pistol, Power sword

+ Troops +

Conscripts: 50x Conscript

+ Elites +

Platoon Commander: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

+ Heavy Support +

. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter
. Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) ++

+ HQ +

Celestine: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad
. 12x Battle Sister
. Battle Sister w/ Special or Heavy Weapon: Storm bolter
. Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. Sister Superior: Plasma pistol, Storm bolter

+ Elites +

Imagifier

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Dominion Squad
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Dominion Squad
. Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Seraphim Squad: 9x Seraphim
. Seraphim Superior: Bolt pistol, Plasma pistol

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator: Twin Multi-Melta
Immolator: Twin Multi-Melta
Immolator: Twin Multi-Melta

++ Total: [100 PL, 1998pts] ++

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The Artillery firebase will be supported by the two blobs of foot sloggers. The Conscripts to prevent deep strikes and charges, and the Sisters to sit on an objective nearby, and shoot at things that try to maul the conscripts.

The Dominions, Seraphim, and St. Celestine all rush to kill whatever nasty things exist elsewhere. I haven't actually gotten a game out of this list yet, but I'm fairly confident that, as a TAC list, this covers most bases.

[RedsandRoyals]

Reposting my earlier list because I messed it up pretty badly.

HQ

Captain
- Plasma pistol, power sword


Chaplain
- Bolt Pistol, Crozius


Troops

Tac Squad
- 5 man squad with plasma gun, Sgt with combi plasma and chainsword

Tac Squad
- 5 man squad with plasma gun, Sgt with combi plasma and chainsword

Tac Squad
- 10 man squad with plasma gun and missile launcher, Sgt with combi plasma and chainsword


Elites

Cataphractii Terminator Squad
- x2 with dual lighting claws, x2 with chainfist and combi bolter, Sgt with combi bolter and power sword

Sternguard
- 5 man squad with combi plasmas, Sgt with Combi plasma and Power Sword

Vindicare Assassin


Fast Attack

5 man squad with 2 flamers, Sgt with power sword

Flyers

Stormraven Gunship
- Typhoon missile launcher, storm strike missile launchers, hurricane bolters, twin lascannon.

Stormhawk Interceptor
- 2 assault cannons, las talon, two heavy bolters


Dedicated Transports

Razorback
- Twin Lascannon

Razorback
-Twin lascannon

Razorback
-Twin Heavy Bolter

Rhino
- HK Missile, Storm bolter


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Tactics are still mostly the same. Plasma everything to death, use the chaplain and terminators in the storm raven as my heavy hitters. Sternguard are fire support, tac squads are objective grabbers, assault squad run interference, take out behind-the-lines fire support units, speedbump hordes, etc. It's a bit weak in AT and anti horde, but I want to try it and specialize from there.

[cheminhaler]

1499 Space marine (using the index before its gone)
Battalion detachment

HQ
Chaplain - bolt pistol, crozius, rosarius

HQ
Librarian - force sword, bolt pistol

Troops
5 tactical marines - grav cannon & amp

Troops
5 tactical marines - plasma pistol, plasma gun

Troops
5 tactical marines - missile launcher

FA
10 assault marines - jump packs, powerfist, eviscerator x2

FA
5 SM bikes - meltagun x2, meltabombs (sgt)
1 attack bike - multimelta

Hvy
Whirlwind - vengeance launcher

Flyer
Stormhawk interceptor - assault cannon x2, skyhammer missile launcher x2, lastalon


Flyer
Stormhawk interceptor - assault cannon x2, skyhammer missile launcher x2, lastalon

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1499

[RedsandRoyals]

Another list, 2k on the dot.

Captain
- Storm Shield, Power Lance

Chaplain

Dread
- dual Twin Autocannons

Vanguard Veterans
- x5 storm shields, x5 power swords

Intercessor Squad

Tactical Squad
- Plasma gun, Sgt w/ combi plasma, power sword

Tactical Squad
- Plasma gun, Sgt w/ combi plasma, power sword

Tactical Squad
- Plasma gun, Sgt w/ combi plasma, power sword

Inceptor Squad

Land Speeder
- HB, Assault Cannon

Devastators
- 4 lascannons, armorium cherub

Predator
- Las sponsons, twin lascannons

Stormhawk Interceptor
- 2 assault cannons, 2 heavy bolters, lastalon

Rhino

Rhino

Rhino

Rhino

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This list is designed for a bit more dakka, and to cope better with swarms, but I feel like there's a lack of AT.

[RedsandRoyals]

And just for something completely different, have some Ynnari. I think I still have 15pts to spend

Yvraine

Archon
- Husk blade and splinter pistol

Kabalite Warriors
- x9 with splinter cannon, sybarite with splinter rifle

Kabalite Warriors
- x9 with splinter cannon, sybarite with splinter rifle

Kabalite Warriors
- x9 with splinter cannon, sybarite with splinter rifle

Kabalite Trueborn
- x4 blasters, Sgt with blast pistol and power sword

Bloodbrides
- 7 w/ shardnet & impaler, succubus w/ agonizer and blast pistol

- Windriders
x1 shuriken cannon, x2 scatter lasers

- Windriders
x1 shuriken cannon, x2 scatter lasers

Ravager
x3 dark lances

Ravager
x3 dark lances

Void Raven
- Void Lances, Void Raven missiles

Raider
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow

Raider
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow

Raider
- Dark Lance, Shock Prow

Raider
- Disintegrator, Shock Prow

Venom
- Twin splinter rifles, splinter cannon


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This was made based on what I have. I haven't actually seen the stats on these units or weapons, so it's sort of blind specilation and faith that splinter weapons still have some advantage to wound, and that dark lances are good. This is obviously an extremely dakka-heavy army, with the Bloodbrides and Yvraine there mostly as an emergency unit to throw in front of anything particularly punchy.

I may consider dropping something for a unit of pathfinders, since I feel safer with a unit of snipers in my army, but we'll see.

[RedsandRoyals]

One more, because there's a couple ideas I like in here.


Captain
- MC Boltgun and chainsword

Librarian
- Bolt pistol and force stave

Apothecary

Company Ancient
-Chainsword

Venerable Dread
- Two twin ACs

Ironclad Dread
- Dread CCW w/ storm bolter, Seismic Hammer w/ heavy flamer, ironclad assault launchers, x2 HK Missiles

Vanguard Veterans
- x2 with bolt pistol & chainsword, x2 with plasma pistol & chainsword, Sgt with power sword & bolt pistol

Tactical Squad
- Half squad with Heavy Bolter, Sgt with combi plasma & chainsword

Tactical Squad
- Half squad with Heavy Bolter, Sgt with combi plasma & chainsword

Tactical Squad
- Half squad with plasma gun, Sgt with combi plasma & power sword

Devastator Squad
- x4 lascannons, Sgt w/ boltgun, Armorium Cherub

Predator
- x2 lascannon sponsons, twin lascannon

Stormhawk Interceptor
- x2 assault cannons, x2 HBs, Lastalon

Stormraven
- Twin Lascannon, Typhoon launcher, Stormstrike missiles, dual hurricane bolters

Rhino


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So here's why I think I like this list quite a bit.

- The Librarian goes in the stormraven with the vanguard vets and the Ironclad dread. He takes Might of Heroes. While still in the Stormraven, he casts it on the stormraven to make it T 8, making Melta wound on 2s and the much vaunted AA flamers wound on 6 (can they cast while in a transport, if it's not a shooting attack?). Then he uses it on the Ironclad when it gets dropped off. Suddenly it's S7, T9, A5. The S7 gets doubled to either S13 or S14 depending on the order in which you apply modifiers, so those five attacks wound on 3s or 2s. That T9 means all Str 8 weapons wound him on a 5+, and lascannons wound on 4+.

- The Sternguard are a decent screen unit. Those plasma pistols buff their ability to lay out wounds, and on the charge they get 15 attacks, 3 of which are with a power weapon. They also have the mobility, thanks to the storm raven and their jump packs, to get around blocking units. This is the squad that, ideally, would jump over the conscript wad and nuke the commissar.

- The captain sits back and buffs the devs and the AC dread. The Venerable Dread is throwing out 8 AC shots that hit on a 2+. Thanks to the captain, he can reroll his misses. The buff to the devs is fairly obvious, but the side benefit is that they are less terrible at AA duty. While we're on the topic of Devs, using the Signum to buff a dev to hit on 2+, then using the armorium cherub to make him fire twice seems... efficient, especially if you're rerolling 1s with the captain.

- The ancient will sit by the devs, offering them a 50/50 chance to still shoot (in the opponent's phase) if they die. The Apothecary will babysit them too, because if a model dies, he has a 50/50 chance of bringing it back to life. So, if a Dev dies, he has a good chance of firing in the opponent's turn, and a good chance of getting right back up after to fire again on your turn.

[Paimon]

You can't do anything at all while inside of a transport, unless the transport says otherwise. It's the same reason that Sisters in transports can't use acts of faith.

[RedsandRoyals]

Wasn't sure, couldn't find the page it said it on. Even so, the main part of the plan still stands.

[cheminhaler]

2k Orks - brigade +9cp (3 hq, 6 troops minimum)

HQ
Warboss - power klaw, kustom shoota

HQ
Painboy - urty syringe, power klaw

HQ
Big Mek - rokkit launcha, kustom force field

HQ
Big Mek - rokkit launcha, kustom force field

Elite
Runtherd - slugga, grabba stikk

Troops
10 gretchin - grot blasta

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

Troops
10 ork boyz - shootaz, rokkit launcha x1

HS
Battlewagon - killkannon, zzap gun, lobba

LOW
Stompa - deffkannon, supa gatler, 3 big shootaz, 5 supa rokkits, skorcha, mega-choppa

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1998

That was the worst Ork list ever and I'm wondering why I even posted it.... Stompa is .... so many points!

[RedsandRoyals]

It certainly has the lulz factor, and that's always important for Orks.

[cheminhaler]

In 7th fighting a Stompa is damn hard - haven't got a clue if anything has changed but before I needed to tailor my marines to give pretty much every unit a lascannon just to take that thing down.

In 8th you can't repair while mounted in a vehicle, I think?! So those Big Meks will be outside the stompa, being shot at, but they can always duck inside for a bit of a break. Maybe the Painboy will be in the stompa making the meks a cup of tea.

[RedsandRoyals]

Big Meks are characters, right? They can't be singled out unless the enemy is in krumpin' range. Besides, the stompa is so huge you can hide an Ork behind it pretty easily.

I've had a thought on Marine lists that's probably blindingly obvious to everyone else; Below 2k, the Battalion detachment isn't worth it. The troop tax will be eating too big of a chunk of your available points. It's better to run the Vanguard, Spearhead, etc detachments, since you can fill up on the excellent Elite and Heavy Support choices instead, especially if you aren't planning on running flyers. This serves a Raven Guard list the best, since you can load up on vanguard veterans and a jump pack chaplain (or Shrike) to take advantage of being able to deploy up close and personal, then taking a bunch of heavy support choices to back them up with firepower and to maximize that -1 to hit you're inflicting on anyone trying to plink you from 12in away.

[nutty]

My list for tonight's game is written down below. Not that I actually know what I'm doing.. this being my second game and all, but we'll see how it goes. My sneaky plan is to use the new grav-chute insertion rule that the Valkyrie has; It'll be loaded up with the prime and the big squad of scions, who will hop out and use FRFSRF! to put 36 hotshot-shots into some poor Mechanicum robodudes.


+++ 2000 points Astra Militarium [122 PL, 2000pts] +++

++ Brigade Detachment +9CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ HQ +

Company Commander: Chainsword, Laspistol

Company Commander: Chainsword, Laspistol

Tempestor Prime: Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad
. 6x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
. 6x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Grenade Launcher
. Heavy Weapon Team: Autocannon
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

Infantry Squad
. 8x Guardsman
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Flamer
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions
. 9x Scion: 9x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions
. 2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Commissar: Bolt pistol

Commissar: Bolt pistol

Master of Ordnance

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Sentinels
. Scout Sentinel: Multi-laser

Scout Sentinels
. Scout Sentinel: Multi-laser

Scout Sentinels
. Scout Sentinel: Multi-laser

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Weapons Squad
. Heavy Weapon Team: Autocannon
. Heavy Weapon Team: Autocannon
. Heavy Weapon Team: Autocannon

Wyverns
. Wyvern: Heavy Bolter

Wyverns
. Wyvern: Heavy Bolter

++ Auxiliary Support Detachment -1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ Flyer +

Valkyries
. Valkyrie: 2x Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ HQ +

Tank Commander: Lascannon
. Command Vanquisher

+ Heavy Support +

Leman Russ Battle Tanks
. Leman Russ Eradicator: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter Sponsons,

Leman Russ Battle Tanks
. Leman Russ Battle Tank: Heavy Bolter
. Leman Russ Battle Tank: Heavy Bolter

Leman Russ Demolishers
. Leman Russ Punisher: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter Sponsons

[cheminhaler]

Jul 27, 2017 8:52:58 GMT -5 RedsandRoyals said:

Big Meks are characters, right? They can't be singled out unless the enemy is in krumpin' range. Besides, the stompa is so huge you can hide an Ork behind it pretty easily.

True, forgot about the no bouncy rubber ball blast markers thing. Plus they have invulnerable saves but the rokkits would be wasted behind the Stompa

Jul 27, 2017 8:52:58 GMT -5 RedsandRoyals said:

I've had a thought on Marine lists that's probably blindingly obvious to everyone else; Below 2k, the Battalion detachment isn't worth it. The troop tax will be eating too big of a chunk of your available points. It's better to run the Vanguard, Spearhead, etc detachments, since you can fill up on the excellent Elite and Heavy Support choices instead, especially if you aren't planning on running flyers. This serves a Raven Guard list the best, since you can load up on vanguard veterans and a jump pack chaplain (or Shrike) to take advantage of being able to deploy up close and personal, then taking a bunch of heavy support choices to back them up with firepower and to maximize that -1 to hit you're inflicting on anyone trying to plink you from 12in away.

While I love Vanguard with jump packs the most I'd prefer a shootier army and the extra command points from the Battalion.

I was looking at vanguard and my preferences for power swords, power fists, thunder hammers, storm shields makes them waaaaay too expensive in 8th because they pay character prices, whereas in 7th the pts were heavily discounted. e.g. stormshields were 2/3 of character cost, power swords were at 1/3 of character cost.
To me they seem too much whereas assault squad costs have remained rougly the same. I'd prefer normal assault at under 2k, it's only for big games that I'd consider vanguard.
This applies to both 7th and 8th. For 7th I'd rather try to get full battle comp MSU madness and at the 2.5k - 3k mark I'd consider adding a 1st company formation to that.

[RedsandRoyals]

Chem, you may be pleasantly surprised by some of the price reductions in the space marine codex. Power fists in particular got a DRASTIC reduction in points. A full squad kitted out with all the wargear possible will always cost a fortune, though, and since Chainswords are actually pretty good(free extra attack? Sure) it doesn't hurt to keep some just as chainsword mooks. I have a small squad where I'm trying a build with two as chainsword mooks, and two dual wielding plasma pistols.

[cheminhaler]

That's encouraging. As it is I might hold off on buying that, as I need another razorback for a 7th ed list.

How does the dual wield pistol thing work now? Is it still two shots in the shooting phase and an extra attack in CC? Why not grav pistols?

[Paimon]

I've been keeping tabs on the Sisters Tactica thread on Dakka. They seem pretty convinced that Storm Bolters beat flamers in this new addition, and have the mathhammer to prove it. Because Sisters have no real need for command points, I've created a list that takes that to it's logical extreme, and gotten this:

+++ Double Fast (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [105 PL, 2000pts] +++

++ Outrider Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ Heavy Support +

Basilisks
. . Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

Basilisks
. . Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) ++

+ HQ +

Canoness: Combi-plasma, Eviscerator

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Storm bolter

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator: Immolation Flamer, Storm bolter

Immolator: Immolation Flamer, Storm bolter

++ Outrider Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ Heavy Support +

Basilisks
. . Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

Basilisks
. . Basilisk: Heavy Bolter

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Ministorum) ++

+ HQ +

Celestine: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

+ Fast Attack +

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Dominion Squad
. . Dominion Superior: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. . Dominion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Seraphim Squad
. . 7x Seraphim
. . Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword
. . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols
. . Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols

+ Dedicated Transport +

Immolator: Immolation Flamer

Immolator: Immolation Flamer

Edit:

So that's 4 Flamer Immos, 4 Basilisks, 3 Melta Dom Squads, 4 Stormbolter Dom Squads, 1 Seraphim Squad with Melta and Plasma, 1 Canoness, and 1 St. Celestine.