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Post by judcottrell on Sept 25, 2019 10:00:20 GMT -5
I’ve been playing around with BattleScribe, I’ve come up with this list as a start to have some idea on what to buy next.
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [115 PL, 2,000pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Black Legion
+ HQ +
Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 240pts]
Chaos Lord [5 PL, 80pts]: Chainaxe, Mark of Khorne, Plasma pistol
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 112pts]: Combi-bolter, Force stave, Mark of Tzeentch
+ Troops +
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 103pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power axe
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 102pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power maul
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 103pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power axe
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 107pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power fist
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
+ Elites +
Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 146pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Chainsword
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe
Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 146pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Chainsword
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe
+ Fast Attack +
Warp Talons [12 PL, 192pts]: Mark of Khorne
. 7x Warp Talon: 7x Lightning Claw (pair)
. Warp Talon Champion: Lightning Claw (pair)
+ Heavy Support +
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
+ Dedicated Transport +
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark
++ Total: [115 PL, 2,000pts]
What do you think? Fun to play with/against?
I’m not expecting to win any tournaments!
This will form the “backbone” of a larger Apocalypse force.
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Post by borkies on Sept 27, 2019 10:04:47 GMT -5
Its a solid list of power armor bodies Judcottrell, with some great flexibility based on the mobility. I would recommend the following changes to get a little more teeth in the list while still keeping the power armor/mobility theme:
1. I would recommend dropping the 4th Chaos marine squad for a 3rd Rhino to transport 2 of your Reaper chaincannon squads (if you make them 5 mans), based off the list I'm guessing the Rhinos are shuttles for the Beserkers. That way you could have the 24" reaper cannons follow close behind the berserkers, allowing them to clean up any screening units or whittle down squads for the Beserkers to get a better charge. It would also allow your Chaos marines to jump into mid-field then set up on any midfield objectives quickly. This would also give you roughly 25 points to gear up other squads (Bullet 3)
2. Possibly change out the 3rd Chaos marines's Reaper Chaincannon for a longer ranged heavy weapon like a missile launcher/Lascannon or even a heavy bolter. This would allow it to sit back on an objective but still chip off some wounds or finish off a target.
3. With the few extra points you have a ton of wargear options for your units. You could give the Khrone beserker squads a power fist or power weapon, you could give the CSM squads plasmaguns/flamers or give the Aspiring Champion a combi weapon. I'd also look at shifting some of the CSM squad's power weapons/fists to the Khrone beserkers, it would be an easy way to increase power while saving points. Khorne beserkers have a ton of medium strength attacks, but you might find that S10 power fist that can hit twice or a armor piercing power sword gives them a greater and longer threat window (7 normal berserker will mulch most things, 2-3 is much less intimidating). Additionally the plasmaguns on the havocs could be switched over to the CSM squads to increase their mid range firepower if that suits your plans. You could even give icons or marks to the Chaos marines if you wanted to, again the minor options are pretty extensive.
Again this is an excellent first draft list, with the rhino based berserkers supported by Havoc fire support and what I'm guessing will be a supporting warp talon deep strike+charge you have the flexibility to choose the fights you want. The only true weaknesses I see is that the CSM don't have the mobility to use their Chaincannons in support of the berserkers (once the berserkers get going viable targets will be further away) and that means your method of dealing with screening infantry is effectively the beserkers if the CSM are out of range. Anything you can do to increase the melee unit's charge options will be gold. I think the added mobility/options will make the army really click as a full toolbox, if I'm understanding your list correctly. -T
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Post by judcottrell on Sept 29, 2019 13:41:46 GMT -5
Thanks very much for the in-depth review!
Here’s what I’ve come up with given your advice.
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [111 PL, 1,999pts] ++
+ No Force Org Slot +
Legion: Black Legion
+ HQ +
Abaddon the Despoiler [12 PL, 240pts]
Chaos Lord [5 PL, 80pts]: Chainaxe, Mark of Khorne, Plasma pistol
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 112pts]: Combi-bolter, Force stave, Mark of Tzeentch
+ Troops +
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 103pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power axe
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 102pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Power maul
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
Chaos Space Marines [8 PL, 105pts]: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. 4x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Reaper chaincannon
+ Elites +
Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 159pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Plasma pistol, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe
Khorne Berzerkers [9 PL, 159pts]: Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Plasma pistol, Power fist
. 7x Chainsword and Chainaxe: 7x Chainaxe
+ Fast Attack +
Warp Talons [12 PL, 192pts]: Mark of Khorne
. 7x Warp Talon: 7x Lightning Claw (pair)
. Warp Talon Champion: Lightning Claw (pair)
+ Heavy Support +
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
Havocs [7 PL, 171pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Chainsword, Plasma gun
. 2x Havoc w/ lascannon: 2x Lascannon
. 2x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 2x Missile launcher
+ Dedicated Transport +
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark
Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark
++ Total: [111 PL, 1,999pts] ++
Really pleased with this list, I’ll build it then see how it does.
Thanks again.
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