Game against the Cheater.

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

Well I went ahead and finally got that 2500 point game in with the guy who is the store cheat.

First off imagine a complete role reversal in this game. I had him in a position where he was not able to move and opted to stand and shoot. The only things he was able to get behind my lines were his drop pods (Which I need to look up rules on).

We played an annhilation game, and the game ended after round 5 and no 6 or 7th turn played.

Had a 6th turn been played results would have been in a much different light as I was mopping up a couple squads and just needed that one last turn to do so.

He did try to use his librarian's pyschic power to teleport out of combat. I had seen him do this in other games and knew from others to watch out for it.

I pulled the store copy of the codex and looked up the power and sure enough it states "It is used in the Librarian's movement phase..." Being locked in combat the Librarian no longer has a movement phase. Had the power said during the movement phase I would have had to let that one pass.

Another thing I am going to have to look at is how the SMurf Plasma cannon's work. He was taking 4 shots with two of them. Not going to say this is wrong until I look it up. I do know that he was attemptig to say on the direct hit (after the first) he got to flip where he wanted to until shown otherwise.

I'm going to re challenge him again and I am not going to be letting the Redshirts put terrain on the board again. They use terrain designed to offer protection for troops, but nothing for vehicles. ++Shakes fist at red shirts++

The tallest peice of terrain was a forest in the center of the table. The rest of the terrain was able to cover the waist of a guardsman.

Something I noticed also was he would leave dice in the middle of the table and then pretend to be confused as to if those dice had been rolled and use the results of them (always left his dice 3+ or higher). I took to flicking them away during my turn and tossing them to the side of the table.

The Schaffer squad didn't make it onto the table until 3rd turn. He near made a #2 in his shorts when they started making mince meat of his marines.

Mass assaults are always fun. He tried to take on my conscripts. Big mistake. 5th Turn I was still hitting him with 50 attacks in close combat.

His termie were being whittled down by two squads of girls, and his dred wasn't fairing so well either. I shot off it's CCW and he wanted to fight that he still had his two base attacks until it was shown to him that a dred without his CCW went on base strength and lost an attack. I let the red shirts handle that one.

All in all, I had fun handing his SMurfs a new one. However, it is players like this smeghead who force us to buy other the army codexes.

[Ymmot (M.I.A)]

plasma cannons are heavy 1 blast/gets hot

one shot per plasmacannon per turn, hits just like a frag missile, only you have to roll one d6 before you fire to see if it gets hot

a unit with multiple plasmacannons strike in the same spot(but scatter separately), they may hit the same models more than once and add up all the hits before wounds are made and figures removed from the entire squad, not just those under the blast marker.

half of his drop pods must deep strike on the first turn, they cannont assault after they drop

also if a pod lands on impassable terrain it will reduce the scatter distance by the minimum required in order to avoid the obstacle(or figure, friend or foe!)

[aeonian]

Hey, maybe I should go in a room with him for just a few minutes, no warhammer, no weapons, nothing except my fists and my heavily booted feet. Who knows, I may take a liking to him and give him a catachan kiss, right in the face!

I hate fornicating cheaters!

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

Ok, That clears it up.

He rolled once on scatter as "This is where it will hit" Then he did the Barrage flip with the scatter die.

Glad to know that is wrong.

[RedsandRoyals]

You realize, of course, that every time you correct him on his own army rules, you are allowed to roll up the codex and smack him across the face with it, right? Also, use the dice he leaves lying around for your armour save too, and then put them all on the side of the table after you roll.

Reds

[Rolling Thunder]

Bastard. I hate people who can't take a loss. I've lost a number of battles, but I really didn't mind (much).

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

I don't think the dice trick will work. My dice are as pink as my army.
He uses reds, whites, blacks... which is how he is getting away with that little trick. Roll a paw full of multi colored dice and they end up getting mixed.

Should have also seen what he called a cocked die as well. I was near laughing my but off on that one. Didn't even leave it on the table long enough to see if another die would sit on it.

[Woz]

Take a big stick.

Every time he gets a rule for his own army wrong, you get to beat him round the head.

See how many rules he gets wrong.


No wait I've got a better one.

Take his picture and post it on every 40k forum with the above story. That way everyone in the 40k universe can laugh at him in the street.

[Deleted]

I happen to be in my peace, love, vote for change mood right now so I'm going to disagree with all the suggested violence here.

Judging from the story it seems that his cheating was not only painfully obvious to you, but to anyone who happened to be anywhere near the table. As I don't condone or like cheating (who does? New England Patriot fans maybe? Yah I went there), has anyone ever actually taken this guy to the side and talked to him?

We got all types when it comes to cheaters, the win at all cost types, the types who just like to see how much they can get away, those guys who use a game shark on a brand new game the first time they play it, and I guess the kleptomaniacs who show up every now and then (hey I could have swore I brought more dice...?).

For some of us, all it takes is just one accidental missinterpretation of a rule to find ourselves shunned by the entire community as a cheater. I don't think anyone here wants that and I would hate to see this guy shunned as well, even though he was in fact cheating. It's like being the smelly kid at school, no one wants to be known as the smelly kid at school.

All I'm saying is maybe someone should have a brief talk with this guy about his game conduct. It might do some good and you could end up with a quality opponent in the end.

Unless someone already has tried to talk to him and he still chooses to cheat. In that case I say screw him. Next time you beat him go to his parent's house and beat them too.

[Helmian (M.I.A)]

hrmmm. . . that might work, and if not: make a we-don't-play-with-cheaters club at your local GW

[Woz]

Tar and feathers, can't beat the old ways.

[Commissar Chris]

....No I think you outta kill em.

[Ymmot (M.I.A)]

now now, maybe he just really doesn't know what he is doing, unfortunately it does not sound like it, you can usually spot incompetence over back handed bastardry.

its sad that some people are so worthless that they have to cheat at a silly game in order to win and feel good about themselves, perhaps having someone talk to him will solve the matter, if he presists he should be shunned, then maybe he'll learn to play by the rules if he wants to keep any gaming friends, alternatively he will simply give up, claim it is a stupid game and sell his collection on ebay, either way I think the gaming community will be better off for it.

[Helmian (M.I.A)]

as said earlier, i think that might do the trick if not then create a we-don't-play-with-cheaters club

[Woz]

How about "We Club Cheaters Club"

[RedsandRoyals]

Jan 2, 2009 18:59:29 GMT -5 Woz said:

How about "We Club Cheaters Club"

Simple, yet eloquent, and it delivers what it promises. I approve.

Reds

[rinkerjass]

;D id join a club like that anyday.

[Ymmot (M.I.A)]

aw shucks sign me up too, we can hang around outside our local GWs and wait for cheaters to pass by so we can simotaneously punch them in the balls and face, then give em a good kick in the stomach while they are curled up on the ground crying like a little sissy girl.

We can then call their mother a hooker and claim that their father should have been castrated while the Red Shirts venture outside to point and laugh and mock thier misfortune.



yep, that oughta teach those dirty rotten cheaters.

[Commissar Chris]

I like that one

[aeonian]

Indeed...I can put on my nazi helmet (no I am not a nazi, but my great uncle killed nazi's, and took a helmet) and headbutt the bastards!

[Helmian (M.I.A)]

Jan 2, 2009 18:59:29 GMT -5 Woz said:

How about "We Club Cheaters Club"

better idea, i'm in!

[Deleted]

Don't play against him. Ever. Convince everyone else not to play against him. Ever. Cheaters can't cheat if they can't play the game :V. And if he tries to play against some poor newbie, be a good Beardy and sit in as 'rules monger'.

[Deleted]

You guys are violent. Man... I hate cheaters as much as most of you seem to do, however I like to play against them every occasion I get.

I never insult a player on how he uses the rules, I often question them and provide them with the correct , and let them check for themselves. I do this because sometimes you do see somesort of combo and skip a rule because your brain sticks on the combo, and because nobodys perfect.

On that matter, SSGTDUDE, your interpretation of gate of Infinity is quite wrong. This effectively allows you do get the hell out of close combat. PM me if you want to discuss this, I'll be glad to.

I deal with dice cheaters on a whole different approach. Cocky-funny is how I do it. After the first time he uses a "sleight of hand manoever" on a bunch of dice I try to make fun of him to everyone around, or just plainely laugh in is face. Althought for this tactic, being rather built and having a few piercings really does the job of keeping the whining and grumbling of the would be cheater to a minimum. ;D

Anyway, all red shirts should be combat trained to do so. This works fine to keep the cheating to a minimum in my store .

My two cents, have a good giggedy!

[Deleted]

well... as someone who is cursed with the worst memory ever, as well as someone that plays multiple armies, I'll often forget certain things. Alwyas why I tend to recheck things in my own codex, both before and after doing things just to make sure it was right. Also with the largest stock of dice carried out of everyone in my group.. I've made sure to keep my dice color coded, and to keep them in a specific area. If there is any question on motive, ask the player to do the same... That is all.

[Ymmot (M.I.A)]

I do the same thing ighr, always checking and re-checking my codex, it helps to read the little profiles about each unit before the game begins as well, helps you catch those special rules that can be easy to forget about.

last game I played with my orks I forgot that bikes get a 4+ cover save at all times, I kicked myself good for that one.