more imperial guard rumors

[Ogryn Crazy!]

YES! My Ogryns are going to be the nuts! 5 done, 5 in the post, how many more can I fit in a Storm Lord, once I buy one that is?

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

Oh wow I just realized the plasma tank is Heavy 3 blast! I can hear my friend's Raven Guard crying already.

[aeonian]

Especially his terminators! Would be great for killing MC's also!

Also, the valk and the vendetta are fast attack, allowing us that many more powerful shots.

And you know my favorite part? You can add squads together to form a sort of conscript mob, but with regular shock troopers! It might make playing a feral styole "all out charge" type army viable now!

[dragoon6]

Mar 17, 2009 16:42:58 GMT -5 Ogryn Crazy! said:

YES! My Ogryns are going to be the nuts! 5 done, 5 in the post, how many more can I fit in a Storm Lord, once I buy one that is?

Stromlord has capacity of 40, ogryns take 2 slots each (like terminators) which means you can fit 20 in there.

Dragoon 6

[Mighty Muffin]

Rumors, rumors, get your rumors here! Straight from Warseer!

Stormtroopers:
can take 2 specials
get both infiltrate and deepstrike for free
the 'special ops' they pick before a battle gives some bonus to one of the two deployment types
He said that recon/sabotage gave them scout and pinning the first time they shoot.
He couldn't remember the deepstrike special op rules
They will be 16 points a pop

Usarker Creed and Jarran Kell:
- Has a Special Order ‘For Cadia’. The squad becomes fearless and gains furious charge.
- Upgrade for a Commanding Officer and Probably Standard bearer
- Can issue 4 Orders per turn
- Allows a single unit to get the ‘scout’ special rule.

Command Squad
- Master of Ordinance- Shoots an Ordiance weapon with the statistics of an Earthshaker cannon with no range limitation. Requires line of sight to the Mater of Ordinance and he must remain stationary

Primaris Psyker
- HQ choice
- ‘Lightning Arc’ 2d6 s6
- Nightshroud, enemy has to pass a Ld test to shoot at the psyker's unit

Commissars
- Give a unit the ‘stubborn’ Special rule
- Still executes the leading officer on a failed Ld test.
- Is purchased from Command and Infantry squads

Sanctioned Psykers:
- Have a number of powers, the first is soulstorm (no other info) and the second is a Ld dropping ability.
- The Psykers may drop 1 Ld from an enemy unit for every sanctioned psyker alive at the time.
- Comes as a Sanctioned Psyker unit, probably an Elites choice, of 4-9 Psykers and a Commissar Handler.
- On any perils of the warp the Commissar will shoot D3 Psykers.

Platoon:
- Basic Platoon is 2 Infantry Squads and 1 Command Squad.
- 0-3 Infantry squads can be added to this, as well as 0-5 Heavy weapons squads, 0-2 Special Weapons Squads or either 0 or 2-5 Conscript Squads.
- Conscripts form a single unit of 20-50 men.
-All Infantry squads can be merged into a single squad if you wish with no maximum.

Heavy weapon squads
- basic armament is 3 mortars
- 60 points

Commander Chenkov:
-Is a Special Character Infantry Platoon commander
- Can upgrade the conscript squad in his platoon to allow him to use the order ‘Send in the next wave’ for 75 points.
- ‘Send in the next wave’: The squad is immediately removed and next turn comes from the table edge (like reserves) at full starting strength.

EDIT: Oo found some more. My sources are doing their job nicely

Fast Tanks Squadron:

- You may choose any of the following tanks in a 1-3 tank squadron.

- Hellhound: 130 pts. Tank, fast. You can change the heavy bolter by a flamer for free or by a multi-melta by 15 pts. Extra armour 15 pts, searchlight 1 pts, heavy stubborn 10 pts, hunter-killer missile 10 pts, dozer blade 10 pts.
- Banewolf: 130 pts. Tank, fast. You can change the heavy bolter by a flamer for free or by a multi-melta by 15 pts. Extra armour 15 pts, searchlight 1 pts, heavy stubborn 10 pts, hunter-killer missile 10 pts, dozer blade 10 pts.
- Devil Dog: 120 pts. Tank, fast. You can change the heavy bolter by a flamer for free or by a multi-melta by 15 pts. Extra armour 15 pts, searchlight 1 pts, heavy stubborn 10 pts, hunter-killer missile 10 pts, dozer blade 10 pts.

The entire squadron can buy smoke launchers for 5 pts/mini or camo-netting for 20 pts/mini.

- Sentinel Squadron:

- Scout Sentinel: 35 pts, open-topped, scouts, move through cover, multilaser. Auto-cannon 5 pts, heavy flamer 5 pts, missile launcher 10 pts, laser cannon 15 pts. Searchlight 1 pt, hunter-killer missile 10 pts, the entire squadron can buy smoke launcher for 5 pts/mini and/or camo-netting for 10 pts / mini.

- Valkirye: 100 pts.. Armour: 12-12-10

Skimmer, fast, scout, may deep strike
Equipment and weapons: extra armour, searchlight, 2 hellstrike missiles, multilaser
Options: change multilaser to laser-cannon +15 pts, change hellstrike missile for 2 multiple rockets pods for +30 pts, heavy bolters for +10 pts.
Can be bought in a 1-3 squadron.
Transport 12 models, they have the “grav chute insertion” (deep strike from the valk)


- Vendetta: 130 pts.. Armour: 12-12-10

Skimmer, fast, scout, may deep strike
Equipment and weapons: extra armour, searchlight, 3 twin-linked las-cannons
Options: change 2 las-cannon for 2 hellfury missiles for free, heavy bolters for +10 pts.
Can be bought in a 1-3 squadron.
Transport 12 models, they have the “grav chute insertion” rule

Lemas russ scuadron
Composition:vehicle scuadron composed of 1-3 leman russ or leman russ demolishers in any combination.

- Leman Russ Battle Tank. 150 pts Hull Heavy Bolter. May change it for a lascannon for 15 pts, may have sponsons with: heavy bolters 20 pts, multi-melta 30 pts, plasma cannons 40 pts.
LR may have Heavy stubborn for 10 pts, dozer blade 10 pts, h-k missile 10 pts, extra armour 15 pts. Entire squadron with camo-netting for 20 pts/model. One of the squadron tanks can be the squadron leader for 50 pts.

Same options for the next tanks:

- Leman Russ Exterminator: 150 pts.
- Leman Russ Vanquiser: 155 pts.
- Leman Russ Eradicator: 160 pts.
- Leman Russ Demolisher: 165 pts.
- Leman Russ Punisher: 180 pts.
- Leman Russ Executioner: 190 pts.

Artillery, 1-3 models in a squadron. Same options as the LR’s. Can be topped for 15 pts / model, the camo-netting cost 30 pts /model.

- Basilisk: 125 pts.
- Medusa: 135 pts. Can buy siege bombs for 5 pts.
- Colossus: 140 pts.
- Griffon: 75 pts.
- Hydra: 75 pts. Camo-netting cost 20 pts for it.

Next can NOT be bought in a squadron.

- Manticore: 160 pts.
- Deathstrike: 160 pts.

TROOPS

Infantry Platoons consist of, Command Section, 2-5 Infantry Squads, 0-5 Heavy Weapons Squads, 0-3 Special Weapons Squads, 0-1 Conscript Platoons

The 2-5 Infantry Squads can be marged into a single unit.

Infantry Squad come in at 50pts, weapons options come in at 5pts for Mortars, 10pts for Heavy Bolters and Autocannon, 15pts for Missile Launchers, 20pts for Lascannon, 5pts for Grenade Launchers and Flamers, 10pts for Meltaguns and 15pts for Plasma Guns.

Heavy Weapons Squads start at 60pts with 3 Mortars, and each weapon can be upgraded as follows, 5pts for Heavy Bolters and Autocannon, 10pts for Missile Launchers, 15pts for Lascannon.

Special Weapons Squads are able to take 3 Demo Charges.

Conscripts are Lasgun only units.

Commissars come in at about 35pts basic.

Veterans Squads may take Carapace.

[Ogryn Crazy!]

Mar 17, 2009 22:25:32 GMT -5 dragoon6 said:

Mar 17, 2009 16:42:58 GMT -5 Ogryn Crazy! said:

YES! My Ogryns are going to be the nuts! 5 done, 5 in the post, how many more can I fit in a Storm Lord, once I buy one that is?

Stromlord has capacity of 40, ogryns take 2 slots each (like terminators) which means you can fit 20 in there.

Dragoon 6

Ha ha ha! evil cackle!
Pure Death in a tin can of death!

[norge187]

okay if this is true, they must have changed the rules for camo netting. I mean seriously. 20pts per netting.......aaaaahhhhh thats insane.

[kellysgrenadier]

Oooo cheaper infantry.

[aeonian]

@norge: I bet you it's like cameleoline for vehicles!!!!!

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

Mar 18, 2009 4:14:09 GMT -5 Mighty Muffin said:

Sanctioned Psykers:
- On any perils of the warp the Commissar will shoot D3 Psykers.

This made me laugh

So according to this the Vendetta can transport just as many troops as the Valkyrie

Plasma Sponsons on all Russ variants! ;D

No more pintle storm bolter? I never used them on my tanks, but I make some cool conversions for my characters (took the muzzle of one and placed it above the other, looks like one of the really old-fashioned stormbolters with the barrels on top of one another instead of side-to-side)

[aeonian]

Yea, but who would want a storm bolter which doesn't measure up to th heavy stubber in range or rate of fire, and the only benefit is 5 AP as oppossed to 6 AP. Most likely, if you have 3 shots, you'll make 1 or 2 of them, and then the opponent will most likely either fail both or only pass 1 (if it's guardsmen or gaurdians or something).

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

Mar 18, 2009 11:02:06 GMT -5 John_Galt (M.I.A) said:

I never used them on my tanks, but I make...conversions for my characters

Although I agree the stubber is the better choice for pintle mounts.

[aeonian]

I didn't mean to imply that you used them, but to point out to everyone that taking them would be a waste. Plus, you can still get them from battle wagon bits (fromt he SM section)

[Basaliskian]

Another heavy stubbers have in there favour is that they have the classic WW2 tank look, you know, the 50 cal. on the top of the turret.

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

A good point. I was thinking of converting one to look like how the American's mounted them on their tanks in WWII (on the back of the turret, to use it you would have to stand behind the turret, for the life of me I cannot remember what that mount is called). Although if you ask me I'd say a stubber is probably a .30, even though it does look like a .50

[Deleted]

I don't think that many people will be taking a huge amount of upgrades as they'll cost almost as much as a land raider would when all is said and done. I'd take them with hull lascannon and sponson heavy bolters, nothing else. The heavy stubber I put on for looks. Because face it, it looks rad. The vanquisher will be a useless tank after all. In apoc they'll really own though.

[aeonian]

I absolutly hate what they've done with the vanquisher. Reduced the range, taken away the option to fire an ordnance blast, and only allowing it to shoot the S8 Ap2 solid AT shot. That disturbes me. I used to love taking Vanquishers in friendly games because it functioned as a 92" range battle cannons, as well as the most ultimate anti-tank killing metal beast in the game! They've nerfed it, and I bet Reds will be P.O'd (he bought the expensive one from FW, and now it's almost useless )

[Lord Solar Macharius]

When I first saw these rumors, I cried for joy. But if these turn out to be false *pulls garrote wire from watch*, watch out!

Yay Medusas! Does one squadron count as one slot? I hope so.

[John_Galt (M.I.A)]

I had to look at it again cause I didn't believe it, but you're right Aeon. What were they thinking? They've basically turned the vanquisher cannon into a longer range melta gun, but it'll cost more than a basic Leman Russ. >_<

[-=Commissar Wibble=-]

The only reason I'd go for a Vanq over a Destroyer is because of the flexibility- It pwns infantry AND tanks...or, at least, it used to. This is a sore, sore blow for Mankind.

Thank the Emperor I couldn't afford the points to get one for my army...otherwise I might have gone and paid MONEY for one.

[aeonian]

Yes, as I was reading the stats, I gasped. It was an actual, honest to Emperor, gasp! It made me so mad! I can't believe that they've done that!

[Lord Solar Macharius]

New Sentinels! www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=&categoryId=&pIndex=2&aId=13200003&start=3. I love the plasma cannon, now the sentinel seems to have the equivalent of a dreadnought when it comes to weapons.

Still can't wait!

EDIT: www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=&categoryId=&pIndex=1&aId=13200003&start=2, page one has more goodies as well.

[Mighty Muffin]

They could have made that text bigger so I could see it

[Lord Solar Macharius]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Jeez, they won't even let us have a sneak peek at the text?

"Wow, those sure are some awesome squiggles, I wonder what they say?"

[aeonian]

I heard that Ursarkar Creed could issue something like 4 orders per turn and that he had more than 1 unique order. I am starting to see some similarities about some things in our new 'dex and the most recent SMurf 'dex. here's what I mean:

Marines:
their vanilla leader (the Ultramarines guy, Marneus Calgar) is the most powerful. He has the best weapons and the coolest options. But, he is also the leader of the army that is on the box...

Guard:
their most powerful Special Character is the vanilla leaders as well. Creed and Kell can make the most orders per turn, have good armour and weapons, the most benefits, and lots of unique stuff...but he is the leader of the army displayed on the boxed sets.

Marines:
the SC who is from the desert world (Korsaro Khain of the White Scars) is the fast army. His bike goes really, really fast, and he takes marine bikers as troops. His sword causes Instant Death on a roll of 6 (khan's sword)

Guard:
the leader from the desert world (key words: desert world, notice above), by the name of Captain Al'ream, has an order that allows a platoon to run in the shooting phase and still shoot...pretty similar, huh? Also, his own power sword causes instant death on a roll of 6.

Marines:
with Kronus, they get a tank with extra BS and other benefits.

Guard:
we also get a type of vehicle commander. Artillery sergeant Harker.

Marines:
They get Scout Sergeant wotshisface that allows the scouts to get better BS or something...

Guard:
If I'm not mistaken, we also get a squad upgrade, I think he was a kasrkin sergeant or something like that.

Oh well, at least Guard will always be better than marines, despite the similarities...