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Post by ware on May 27, 2009 10:02:52 GMT -5
ymmot, I don't have my rule book at work, but one of the rules states that you may never re-roll more than once.
1) Unit within range of standard with a commissar fails leadership check.
2) Take standard's re-roll (I guess you could take the commissar's re-roll and execute a sergeant/trooper instead.)
3) If leadership roll failed again then commissar shoots sergeant/trooper, but no additional re-roll is granted.
How does that sound?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2009 10:04:02 GMT -5
Now, I don't have my codex and rulebook in front of me, but wouldn't in a way a combination of the standard and the commissar lead to this way:
1st test fail, second test success: The reroll saves your sergeant.
1st test fail, second test fail: Since you have failed the Commissar shoots the sgt, but since you can't re-roll a re-rolled roll, you do not get to do a third test and the unit falls back.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 27, 2009 10:11:42 GMT -5
sounds better to me actually...
that is a pretty good compromise I guess, the standard allows you to test and fail once without getting shot, but if you test and fail again a guy gets capped and you gotta fall back...
however I believe at the moment that you are not re-rolling twice , you re-roll once and fail, the sergeant absorbs all of the negative consequences, you then test again using the Commissar, since that first test was failed as illustrated by the act of killing the sergeant the next test is not a re-roll of a re-roll, the crucial act of shooting the sergeant has already taken place between the first re-roll and the new test using the Commissar.
fortunately I have yet to be faced with this situation in a game using the new codex, I think I'm going to have to discuss it with my opponent when and if it does come up...
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Post by grimm on May 27, 2009 11:40:08 GMT -5
Ymmot:
See page 2 of your rule book. "No dice can be re rolled more than once, regardless of the source of the re roll." (Emphasis mine).
You cannot re roll your failed check twice. As a result, the commissar and standard's duplicate abilities merely serve as redundancy in case one is taken away (or so Comm. Boltgun doesn't have to pop Sgt. Cowardlylion).
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 27, 2009 12:04:13 GMT -5
I am aware of that,
I'm just questioning if it counts as another re-roll after you have already suffered the consequences for failing the test.
you test, fail, re-roll, fail again and remove the sgt, then the commissar kicks in and you test to see if you break...
for what ever reason that makes sense to me, but if it just sounds totally crazy to all of you I may be willing to concede...
no sense in getting all worked up over it.
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Post by WestRider on May 27, 2009 12:26:46 GMT -5
The Commissar's summary Execution Rule quite clearly states that it provides a Re-roll on the test, not a new test.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 27, 2009 15:09:23 GMT -5
alrighty, I guess I am defeated.
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Post by jon on Jun 1, 2009 21:33:41 GMT -5
Do you get double the love with powerhugs?
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Post by Julian Sharps on Jun 1, 2009 22:38:26 GMT -5
Yes. However, 0 x 2 is still zero...
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