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Post by Hetfiltrator on Jun 17, 2009 19:27:13 GMT -5
Oh no! The little plastic dude fired his lazor. "Pew pew" The other little plastic dude just got blow'd-up! VIOLENT GRAPHICNESS! It's worse than evening television. Thats what i've been saying but nobody listens
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 19, 2009 22:58:13 GMT -5
I've tried everything. Hell, I can't even play on a sports team. Parents won't let me. So this *gestures to board* is the only 'hobby' I have....
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 19, 2009 23:25:57 GMT -5
At least you have a hobby. It's good for you in the long run.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 19, 2009 23:46:16 GMT -5
Oh wow, that's fantastic. I guess that particular author is a curse word in the 40k universe. Oh well, I never did like Great Expectations. In the grim darkness of the future, there is only Tolstoy! What about Dostoevsky? He definitely seems 40Kish...
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 2:49:21 GMT -5
So, I finally cracked into one of the new plastic Wraithlords. You know, the ones that cost 40+ dollars now.
I now have a new submission to biggest GW rip off now. Two small sprues, thin twig like bits of plastic, no more than 20 tiny pieces. I glanced over at my friend opening his new drop pod. 30 dollars. Fat pieces of plastic, thick sturdy plating, detailed seats and weaponry.
This clearly shows me that GW does not charge based on material cost, but on battlefield effectiveness and rarity. 2 Ogryns, 2 large chunks of solid pewter, cost less than this 20 cents worth of plastic that I invested in.
/whine
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 2:59:14 GMT -5
40+ dollars?
wow...
yeah...my friend gave/traded me the one I have...
and I'm sure it wsa more around the price of a drop pod.
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Post by Macfeegle on Jun 20, 2009 3:09:01 GMT -5
Of course GW does not charge on the basis of cost. It has been about the actual use of the model in game that has been the pricing factor for almost two decades now. (closer to one and a half, but I digress.)
The Wraithlord does sound like a particularly bad example of poor pricing.
Mind you so does US$49.50 for a hallhound when the Chimera comes in at US$35.
I'm sure the old Hellhound with metal bits was cheaper than that!
Interestingly enough, the new Demolisher/Punisher/Exterminator comes in cheaper (by $0.50) than the old Demolisher....go figure?
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 3:21:28 GMT -5
I was mostly disappointed by the lack of posibility with the wraithlord(I mean, I wasn't that disappointed, I got mine for a steal)
but...a hobby knife and some green stuff will fix that up
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 9:12:21 GMT -5
And it should be cheaper! When a model's pewter is replaced by plastic- it most certainly should be cheaper! Leaps and bounds cheaper if you consider the Wraithlord went from ALL pewter to ALL plastic.
And the Wraithlord isn't big per say, he is just tall. His legs are tall, but not more detailed or bigger than say a plastic bright lance when you can find on several of the Eldar sprues for cheap. And his chest, head and shoulders are no bigger than a standard SM terminator if that. It is ridiculous.
Honestly, I am doing everything I can to stay positive when it comes to GW and what they are doing with 40k, but it is becoming increasingly difficult.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 10:30:55 GMT -5
yep, it is tough sometimes...
I'm glad the majority of my army building days are over for now.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 20, 2009 11:18:00 GMT -5
I didn't realize the wraithlords were that small... So it's smaller overall than a sentinel? And it's $40 for one wraithlord?
You win. You have found the biggest GW rip off. I'm not sure what you won, but...
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 11:18:59 GMT -5
They are taller than a sentinal because of their twig legs, but not by much. Yes, they should have been no more than 30 dollars..
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 11:21:28 GMT -5
totally agreed
and the new sentinal is evenmore posable with even more options!
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 20, 2009 16:16:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I was confused by the jump in price for the Wraithlord.
But if you also think about it, it's priced similar to other Heavy Support choices as well. While the Sentinel is closer to the drop that's been seen in normal Fast Attack choices.
Also, in order to have a solid Sentinel squadron, you need two boxes. Which puts it at $10 more than a Wraithlord.
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Post by nicholasakira on Jun 20, 2009 21:22:22 GMT -5
It is a pretty model, and The Envoy is right about the heavy support choices thing if you ask me, and wraithlords don't come in squadrons.
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 22, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -5
Yes, but should models be priced on what they cost to field or how much they cost to make? I find it rather annoying I have to pay MORE for a model that cost LESS to make then others..
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 22, 2009 11:25:05 GMT -5
Of course, that might mean that suddenly, a lot of people can afford 2 new land raiders......
I think it should be based on both, with the power and cost on the field being secondary, but a factor...
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 22, 2009 11:33:21 GMT -5
yep, it is pretty lame, but I guess it forces people to balance out their armies based on what they can afford...
yeah, something like that.
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 22, 2009 11:44:07 GMT -5
I think owning superior models shouldn't be based on how much money you make personally. When you think about it, that makes the very essence of Warhammer 40k a tad sickening..
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 22, 2009 11:51:01 GMT -5
It's also sickening to imagine the hoards of Land Raiders, Monoliths, Carnafexes, Titans, Baneblades, and Wraithlords you'd find.......
If only nobody worried about someone trying to take advantage of the model's price and rules....
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 22, 2009 12:01:49 GMT -5
Why would it be such a problem if people played, you know, with the 40k models that are good? That is what they are there for, to play with. And there are plenty of people who do play with hoards of the good stuff because they have the money to do so. It is a ridiculous notion to try and regulate what models are on the table based on how expensive they are! So, people who can't invest thousands in their army are naturally at a disadvantage because GW thinks its cool to charge for table value instead of how much it cost to actually make the model?
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 22, 2009 12:03:58 GMT -5
Most company's are like that though.
They charge you based on demand, and in the case of wargaming, solid unit choices are in demand.
Why do you think Land Raiders are almost $60 a piece nowadays?
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on Jun 22, 2009 12:06:53 GMT -5
Because GW sucks. Like the tragic Eldar, their sinful ways will begin to escalate and grow at such an alarming rate, as they rape and pillage the pocketbooks and wallets of their true and loyal fans, that they will create a God of pure vice and evil that will blow the minds of billions and turn their great empire into a broken, fleeting thing.
Put that in your Sig quote why doncha! ;D
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 22, 2009 12:07:47 GMT -5
Exactly.
It is in the nature of business for the business to suck the life out of you as well as take your money.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jun 22, 2009 12:10:15 GMT -5
It is in the nature of business for the business to suck the life out of you as well as take your money. God bless Capitalism! It's got what it takes to take what you've got! Reds
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