Chimera's LasGuns

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I'm planning on mounting my storm troopers in Chimera's and I had a couple of questions about the chimera's lasguns I was hoping to get some help on.

First, do they fire at the BS of the Chimera or the BS of the storm troopers inside?

Second, if I move and fire them do they fire like a defensive weapon and allow me full range or do they fire as if from a hatch and limit me to rapid fire range?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Commissar]

I think it goes by the passengers BS.
But it would fire as a defensive weapon.
I'm pretty sure...

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

I honestly never use them cuz they're considered a vehicle weapon so must fire at what the vehicle fires at. beyond that they're mounted on opposing side arcs, so the most you could do is fire 3 lasgun shots at a target that was in the side arc of the chimera (along with the turret weapons which can also fire in that direction). the thing is, though, that if there is an enemy in a chimera's side arc, it'll probably kill the chimera due to it's weak armor 10 on the sides I would not want to have infantry embarked just to fire 3 lasguns at the enemy when it was capable of destroying the vehicle they were embarked upon and entangling them as well as outright wounding about half of the troops onboard.

it's a wierd piece of gear, and really needs to have its rules rewritten so the lasguns may fire independent of the vehicle and may target anything in their arc of fire. they should be able to fire at a separate targets as well since they're on separate sides of the vehicle so the left should be able to fire at 1 target and the right should be able to fire at 1 target - all this independent of what the vehicle itself is firing at. It would also be neat to have it stated whether they fire as if stationary or whether they fire as if moving when the vehicle moves.

also remember that you can pop dudes up out of the top hatch and fire weapons out of the top of the chimera too (though then you're counting yourself as open topped for purposes of return fire).

[Woz]

You use the BS of the infantry who are firing, also if the vehicle moves then the occupants count as moving (so can't fire HW's etc).

[twerd]

damm was thinking of putting a heavy weapon in it

[Deleted]

well they do make a good firing base as long as you keep your front armour towards the enemy. 1 lascannon or 2 autocannon shots, 3 heavy bolter shots, 3 multilaser shots, 6 lasguns shots, and 3 heavy stubber shots are a killer against any infantry squad.

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

yep true, though you turn any hits the chimera takes into open topped hits if you over-amp the shooty-ness of it by having people shoot out of the top hatch. not a bad option in the right situation when maybe you have favorable terrain making return fire minimal, but in an open field with alot of potential return fire it's not the way to go.

definately a good thing to remember for situational use.

[Commissar]

Well, the chimera is basically a mobile pill box.
So, dont worry! Just blow them apart!

[majorjav]

When you shoot from a chimera, you can fire the mounted heavy weapons to a target and fire the six lasguns to an other (if you fire a weapon from the hatch, the target must be the same as lasguns).
If so you will use the squad's BS and bonuses( ex: sharpsooters)
When firing the lasguns, they count as part of the tank so you can move and still fire up to 24"...That's a good moving pillbox indeed!!

[Woz]

majorjav said:

If so you will use the squad's BS and bonuses( ex: sharpsooters)
When firing the lasguns, they count as part of the tank so you can move and still fire up to 24"...That's a good moving pillbox indeed!!

No when a vehicle moves then the troops inside count as moving so they can only fire lasguns half range.

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woz said:

majorjav said:

If so you will use the squad's BS and bonuses( ex: sharpsooters)
When firing the lasguns, they count as part of the tank so you can move and still fire up to 24"...That's a good moving pillbox indeed!!

No when a vehicle moves then the troops inside count as moving so they can only fire lasguns half range.

Yeah, these two last quotes seem to be what's causing my confusion.

The entry says they are fired by the crew (so therefore would be limited to rapid fire) inside.

At the same time the weapons are hard mounted to the Chimera so are a defensive weapon and therefore should be able to fire at full range.

It never really explains what rule takes precedence.

It's a shame that this wasn't in the errata.

[Commissar]

They arent fired by the crew, they are fired by any passengers inside, otherwise they are useless.

[Deleted]

dont get a chimera boooooooo!

[Mabus]

What are you talking about?

Chimeras are great, i mean, who doesn't like chimeras?

(Everyone but 58octopus, he's crazy.)

[Woz]

shadowmant - in the Chimera section of the IG codex (pg45) under FIRE POINTS - The Chimera is fitted with six hull lasguns which can only be fired by the passengers.

[Deleted]

The lasguns fire independent of the tanks weapons. It says so in the White Dwarf article about chimeras.
This gives you some interesting tactical options. You could fire 3 lasguns on one side and a special weapon at something close by and the tanks guns at something farther away, or whatever you wanted to do.

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

can you grab your whitedwarf and tell us what number that article is in colonel mcarthur?

[9th Company]

This may sound silly but wouldn`t you be able to fire hellguns instead of lasguns from inside the chimera? I always though that the lasguns were the infantry mens own that was simply fired through holes in the chimeras armour. If the men had hellguns then they would fire them out of the holes. Or are the lasguns built into the chimera?

[Deleted]

The lasguns are built in to the tank, so its not open topped but guys can still shoot out. Any gun thats not a lasgun needs to be fired from the hatch, which does make it open topped.

[Colonel Grammissar Azalar]

Yep. Drive by flaming!!

[twerd]

lol we've done that some time.

though my personal favorite to fire out the top is a plasma gun

[Mabus]

Lascannons are fun. Destroying an enemy tank from half way across the board is quite funny, especially when an enemy hasn't got a clue what just happened!

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

I still wish I could find out what white dwarf has the rules for the chimera lasguns firing separately - it'd be nice to be able to show to an opponent as typically we require being able to produce the rules to be able to use the rules around where I live.

[Deleted]

So here's what I figure so far. It says that the guns are fired by the troops being transported so I think using the stormtroopers BS of 4 would be proper for the lasguns.

I was also re-reading the paragraph that states troops firing from a vehicle count as moving (so can't fire heavy weapons) and it had a blurb at the end stating that the exception to this rule is guns mounted to the vehicle and even sited the chimera's lasguns as an example. ;D I guess that means that they can move and then shoot there 24"

As for them firing at a different target than the chimera, I don't think I'd bother. Even if I could do it, it's only 6 lasguns after all.

[Deleted]

I'll take any extra shots I can get any day. A Lasgun can kill a carnifex (not too likley I know but it can happen, untill the next codex when they rule that synapse creatures are imune to death anyway). and the Lasguns are mounted on the vehicle but fired by the passengers, so if your HSO is inside he can fire a lasgun with his BS. That also means diembarked passengers= not las guns but does that really matter?