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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 16, 2009 18:04:24 GMT -5
How successful have people been with using them?
I was not too happy with the wording.
If the unit scatters then the models make a difficult terrain test and if any model is not able to deploy the unit is destroyed??
Not sure I am willing to chance it.
What experiances are out there??
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Post by nox on Aug 17, 2009 9:47:17 GMT -5
I only ever used this(planned in advance) with a special weapon squad to come in from reserve in their valk and kill off some devastators. Worked fine, lost a model myself. Scatter i think should be modifiable someway... Zip lines? idk. But it deffinatly is useful in the right spots. In the middle of the enemy army.... Not one of those spots.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 17, 2009 10:34:39 GMT -5
Even without Grav-chuting, you can still threaten any vehicle within 20" of the board edge with 3 meltaguns, and any unit within 26" with plasma spam.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 7:12:13 GMT -5
I only ever used this(planned in advance) with a special weapon squad to come in from reserve in their valk and kill off some devastators. Worked fine, lost a model myself. Scatter i think should be modifiable someway... Zip lines? idk. But it deffinatly is useful in the right spots. In the middle of the enemy army.... Not one of those spots. Nox How did you loose a model? if you scattered and fail the difficult terrain test by the rule the entire unit is destroyed as per a 1-2 on the mishap chart. I'm just trying to figure out if it is actually worth the tactic, or if this is something that might get FAQ's on it. Seems pretty harsh to have an entire squad just be pulled because one dude fails his terrain test. |
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Post by starwoof on Aug 18, 2009 7:30:08 GMT -5
I only ever used this(planned in advance) with a special weapon squad to come in from reserve in their valk and kill off some devastators. Worked fine, lost a model myself. Scatter i think should be modifiable someway... Zip lines? idk. But it deffinatly is useful in the right spots. In the middle of the enemy army.... Not one of those spots. Nox How did you loose a model? if you scattered and fail the difficult terrain test by the rule the entire unit is destroyed as per a 1-2 on the mishap chart. I'm just trying to figure out if it is actually worth the tactic, or if this is something that might get FAQ's on it. Seems pretty harsh to have an entire squad just be pulled because one dude fails his terrain test. That's not how it works, thankfully. If you scatter you roll dangerous terrain for every model. If you can't place a model due to being on top of a model or impassible terrain, the unit is destroyed as a 1-2 on the mishap table. This is to prevent a unit from mishapping and then getting delayed or placed off the board. I played a game against my roommate and we didn't know that rule... so his guys mishapped and I put them next to my defiler, who tore them to ribbons.  |
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 7:40:04 GMT -5
I understand a mishap table roll, but the rule for valks is not saying if they scatter into terrain. It says if they scatter period.
So, what I am reading if you don't roll that little bullseye your squad is making a difficult terrain test. Now instead of removing the models of those that fail if you have a single failure you are removing an entire unit.
Being placed next to the defiler would have at least been entertaining.
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Post by starwoof on Aug 18, 2009 8:50:49 GMT -5
That's not what it says at all. If a model dies it doesn't mean you are unable to place it. You place the model, and then it dies.
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Post by Romer on Aug 18, 2009 9:04:33 GMT -5
The wording is --
"If the unit scatters, every model must immediatley take a dangerous terrain test. If any of the models cannot be deployed, the unit is destroyed as described in 1-2 result on the deep strike mishap table."
Which to me means, if you don't roll the bulls eyes then all the models have to take a dangerous terrain test. If one of them fails, the unit dies.
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Post by starwoof on Aug 18, 2009 9:12:24 GMT -5
Right. But that's still not what it means. There's a difference between being deployed and dieing due to a dangerous terrain check and not being able to be deployed and the unit dieing due to a deep strike mishap.
You're over thinking a very simple rule.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 9:53:47 GMT -5
The wording is -- "If the unit scatters, every model must immediately take a dangerous terrain test. If any of the models cannot be deployed, the unit is destroyed as described in 1-2 result on the deep strike mishap table." So... unless you land on impassable terrain, a group of other models ,right on top of a tank, or fall off the table edge, you scatter and take a dangerous terrain tests normal, however if for what ever reason they land in a spot where not all of them can be placed on the table then the entire unit is destroyed. you are not destroyed for losing guys to the dangerous terrain test, you are destroyed if you cannot physically place all the members of the squad on the table, not counting casualties you take from dangerous terrain, since technically they where able to deploy...they just died right away. |
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 10:01:15 GMT -5
Thanks ymmot. That sums it up better for us slow learners.
I understand the insertion is via the deep strike rules with the exception of the scatter and the resulting difficult terrain check.
IMHO it would have been better to just had the wording been more clear in the explaination of the rule. (which, I still think having a mishap with a defiler chewing them up is far more entertaining then just because Bob is feeling suicidal the entire squad being destroyed.)
I want to know if folks are finding it justifiable to use this tactic or is it just better to scoot in, disembark, and scoot out.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 18, 2009 10:10:22 GMT -5
It's simple:
If the unit would mishap normally, it is destroyed.
If it scatters, every model in the unit takes a dangerous terrain check.
Two seperate things, but GW's idiot writer put them in the same paragraph.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 10:17:07 GMT -5
You know they are going to blame the editor with the black highlighter again.
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Post by Romer on Aug 18, 2009 10:18:40 GMT -5
It actually seems like a worth while rule now.
I do think they could have seperated the points more clearly in the Codex.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 11:39:48 GMT -5
there is also the side of the point that their are basically jumping, at high altitude, from a vehicle, travelling at high speed, into a combat zone, with enemy fire coming in at them...
hazardous to ones health one would think...
the rule here represents the danger of deciding to jump out of a perfectly good airplane before it lands... you CAN do it... but is it prudent TO do it... always a risk involved in doing something daring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 12:45:17 GMT -5
Don't think anyone disagrees as to WHY the rule is there (although you'd think parachutes would be rather awesome and better in 40000 than now).
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 19, 2009 12:57:11 GMT -5
you do realize that no amount of real world justification will change the fact that the rule is not written well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2009 15:05:22 GMT -5
true... but I am not justifying it with real world scenarios... physics of it put the person jumping at an extreme disadvantage, now, knowing this... it should be noted that I do agree with you SSGT, however, personal thought on this is that if every one of them has to take the test individually, then the rule must apply to each individual test, if troops 1-9 land safely and number 10 lands on his head at terminal velocity.... that does not mean that 1-9's heads will explode when number 10 turns his head to paste.
though... imagine the look of confusion the enemy would have upon seeing that:
enemy 1: Oh Gods, little men with laser guns are parachuting in!
enemy 2: I know, what are we gonna do? Wait... is that one guy bonzai jumping?
1: Duck they're firing at us!
SPLAT... BOOM
2: What was that... why did they stop firing?
1: Their heads exploded when that one guy hit the ground
2:...
Both: Blood for the Blood God!
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Post by druchi on Aug 25, 2009 12:07:09 GMT -5
That has made my day.
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Post by darienfaust on Aug 26, 2009 4:55:30 GMT -5
you mean jumping with this?  ;D p.s.: i think you meant banzai. and yes, i also know its spelled as bonsai. |
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 26, 2009 9:28:02 GMT -5
He could have meant bungie jumping. You know suicide for those who don't want to commit.
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Post by maha on Aug 17, 2010 22:13:48 GMT -5
I would wait a couple of months. The new IG codex is due for release in May along with the plastic valkyries. The best looking drop troop models are the Elysians from ForgeWorld. A less expensive option would be Cadian bodies, Hasslefree jet packs and Pig Iron heads. ___________________ seo | link building |
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Post by Julian Sharps on Aug 17, 2010 23:59:32 GMT -5
Maha, please don't post on threads that are more than 90 days old.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 18, 2010 6:06:17 GMT -5
It's a bot.
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