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Post by Cate on Dec 24, 2009 7:16:28 GMT -5
I am rewriting the renegade guard list from the sieg of Vrak IA books, and have stumbled upon a problem. In all the three renegade lists there is an elite option to take som sort of CSM squad, Alpha legion, Khorne Berzerker or Plauge marines. My list is more of Slaanesh list, so my option would be leaning towards Sonics as an elite choice. but here is my problem.
I don't see why Sonic Marines would slum out with lowly traitor guards, first of all as the fluff has been rewritten from GW side and nowdays all sonics seem to be EC, I really don't see EC marines hanging out with others than themself or other marines. Secondly; Sonics are rare according to me, if you read Fulgrim you see that there are not all EC who becomes Sonics and I really don't think its that easy to create a new Sonic. She who thirsts wouldn't just say to a marine, "Shove that accordian down your throat and the you will be totally awesome!", in my world Sonics are Slaanesh finest, and therefore would't go on a shindig with renegade humans. Thirdly; Sonics are the elite of the elite and extremly valuable, I really don't think a Chaos lord would ask them to join him and then tell them to hang out with renegade guards, when he negotiated with them to join him, he would probably ask them to do the hard and most satisfying work, not to be sacrificed with the mere mortals.
So my question is how would you do an Elite choice of Slaanesh marines in a renegade list similare to the Vrak lists. Just sonics without the options to take sonic weaponry or just odinary CSM marines with the IoS?
/Cate
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Dec 24, 2009 14:38:59 GMT -5
You could model all of your renegade guard into a mob of screaming groupies...
I'd venture to guess that Noise Marines would have no prolem with hanging around pleny of fresh meat to satsfy their myriad of foul debaucheries...so while they may frown upon babysitting standard renegade units I could see them bringing their own throng of fanitical slaves out with them to battle.
Noise Marines = Space Rockstars from Hell
at least that's what I usually think of...
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Post by Cate on Dec 24, 2009 15:13:44 GMT -5
Space rockstars from hell is one way to see them. I usually see them as very bad experimental Jazz players from space who have overdosed on acid, or even worse. What I think about slaanesh marines and how far they have gone from our norm values when it comes to their debaucheries couldn't be typed down here. Or it could, but then I would be banned from the internet. I rather not venture into the brain of a noise marine, and the renegade guard would probably go insane quite fast when the marines started playing out their fantasies. Of all the cult marines I do think Slaanesh is the scariest and the one who is most alien to us normal humans. /Cate
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Post by WestRider on Dec 27, 2009 3:42:21 GMT -5
Perhaps go with the groupie angle, but not quite so literally. In the Fantasy fluff, followers of Slaanesh are incredibly charismatic, and attract followers without even trying. So your Noise Marines would just be going around doing their thing, while this horde of Mutants and Renegades follows them around, competing for their attentions.
Not being fools, the Noise Marines keep the horde around as mobile Cover, target practice, entertainment, whatever strikes their fancy. I mean, these fools straight up worship them, so why not take advantage of that?
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Dec 29, 2009 15:06:14 GMT -5
For a more generic Elite choice, I think ordinary Chaos Marines with the Mark of Slaanesh will do fine. Assuming marks still exists, I'm not great with the new book.
On a second note, I think Nurgle is by far the most alien concept to humans, I've met a certain few people who could wrestle with Slaanesh in decadence and hedonism.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Dec 29, 2009 18:37:03 GMT -5
On a second note, I think Nurgle is by far the most alien concept to humans I'd go with Tzeentch...sorcery is a lot harder to comprehend than violence, lust, and plague. I've met a certain few people who could wrestle with Slaanesh in decadence and hedonism. Take those people and combine them together, then make them much worse. Slaanesh has no end to his/her decadence and hedonism...none of the books really do it justice...like so many things our imagination is left to fill in the blanks. If you can think of it Slaanesh is probably into it...and much, much more.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Dec 30, 2009 6:30:21 GMT -5
I humbly disagree, a lot of humans are interested in sorcery, control and emotional/spiritual power over someone else. Whether you believe those things are possible or not is another thing, but some people do. But plague and sickness? I've never really met or heard of anyone who revelled in their diseases... But they probably exist somewhere.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Dec 30, 2009 9:12:46 GMT -5
Ah yes but science can explain away the mysteries of disease while sorcery is simply magic. Out of the two things magic is indeed the more alluring...attracting those who desire power and crave the unknown...but magic itself is very difficult to explain rationlly...that is what makes it magic...we all know what desire and rage feel like...probably all of us have been sick at one point or another...these are human conditions we can all easily relate to.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Dec 30, 2009 9:18:28 GMT -5
Sickness and diseases can be explained of course, I was mainly referring to the followers and not the concept of the gods themselves. I can see normal humans choose to follow Khorne, Slaanesh or Tzeentch, but Nurgle... Possibly, but the idea feels very strange, at least to me.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Dec 30, 2009 9:21:10 GMT -5
Well yeah, that's true.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Dec 30, 2009 9:35:50 GMT -5
Those who follow Nurgle don't generally do so because they revel in disease, but because they are afraid of their own mortality and frailty. Disease is just a means to an end, they will gladly accept the plagues and pestilence as long as they themselves are unable to die from them. If they're asked to go give that guy over there smallpox, who are they to argue now that they have someone dangling immortality in their face.
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